Quote Originally Posted by Andre


I think this plain we live in is actually 4 dimensional. My very limited and unproven idea for this comes from the fact that scientists have made renderings of 4d, 5d, and beyond objects that are visible within a 3d plane. If you made a model out of them, you would see that the "hypercube" and whatever else they call the above dimensions are actually just wierdly shaped 3d objects. It's my belief that only the first three dimensions are physical and the next two (or more) are something else (spiritual, conscious, etc.).

In order to truely see a 2dimensional object would you not have to be atleast one dimension above that? If you look down at a square (a 2d square so that is you would look solely at the side you would see nothing because width is non existant in this case) you're view point is a dimension thats not compatible with a 2d object. you can move left and right and up and down (within the square) but looking up or down (past the square boundaries) is a 3rd dimensional viewpoint. So by the same token if we can visually isolate 3d objects, which are all around us, wouldn't it be because he have yet another dimension we are looking from?

Thats probably not the best example but do you atleast see what i'm trying to say?
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*Interdimensionary support wow 9/10!

Thats pretty cool bro! Did you think that all out yourself ?
Im astounded!



This conversation could get thicker than treackle and I bet theres someone back there just waiting to jump on us if we get stuck!
We got ufo's,religion,truth,(pls,notice the seperation) known history,unknown history,new age gluck, ghosts ,exterrestials,extra sensory perseption,normal senses, dimension string theroy, interdimentionary links.
Now just to add the salt and pepper should we discuss the spiritual governing bodies of these linking dimensions

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My first idea (on a thread in this board entitled "Own up, I'm a genius") on how this all came together was that there was a "conscious" energy (in this plain) that chose to create mass and the existance of life was simply this energy interacting with its own invention. The idea was that there's this tank of consciousness (more sub and dream like than us being awake) and every dead creature brought back information to it. The human ability to invent supported this alittle bit but seeing as i wrote this in two different parts at 5am two different morning several months apart, there were some holes. It started to fall apart and i abandoned it but took some ideas from it.

So some months pass and i start listening to some shows that talk about extra terrestrials and many other things. If there is other life out there (which its almost impossible that there isn't) the bible has some major factual flaws. I started to look at a much bigger picture. I took into account religious texts (and things i felt were inaccurate), scientific facts (and theories that were widely accepted but which i found absurd), and my own ideas. A few days ago i was messing around looking up the theories on other dimensions and then it hit me that those models of "physical" existance (their hyper cube) are ignoring the fact that you can make a 3d model of them. So i tryed picturing what it would be like being conscious in other dimensions.

1D: (A 1D object is represented as a single line that goes on forever) Being conscious here means that you can't see anything because there is nothing thats measureable. Here I came up with the idea that in order to isolate a 1D line you'd have to be conscious at a 2D level. There are unmeasureable lines of length all around you but because setting up a barrier between them would create another physical dimension, you can't see them if you truely do live in a 1D plain. This plain could really be any size as its impossible to measure it.

2D: (A 2D object is represented as a square composed of 4 connected 1d lines) Being conscious here is odd and i haven't exactly figured out the specifics. You can see 1D objects (which are essentially the borderlines of the square/shape you live in) but you are extremely limited. You can't look up or down so all you can see is the line infront of you. Because you can't put into perspecting where those lines end/bend (horizontally OR vertically), you're basically looking at shear darkness. I think you can consciously bump into these lines but because a 2D plain can be really any size it's unlikely. Again this is the hardest one to figure out for me but i'm fairly sure i'm close enough to being right that its accurate enough.

3D: (A 3D object is represented as a cube which is 4 of these 2d suares put together. Man seeks out patterns and this is where he believes that putting 4 cubes together makes a 4 d object but instead, it just makes another 3d onject) Many people (basically everyone except me) believe this is the plain we live in but do we really? There can be no infinity on a 3D plain simply because all dimensions are defined (you can't have an indefinitely huge object if its composed of defineable dimensions). Why isn't this the plain we live in? We are 3D as is every object around us so how could i come up with this crazy idea? Look at a 3D object and define the dimension (legth, width, or height) that is our point of view seeing the 3D object.

4D: As i've stated before you have to be atleast one dimension higher than an object to consciously isolate it. Fully functional consciousness only exists in this dimension and above. Here we can isolate 3D object that are all over the place (3 dimensions are required to have stabalized physical exsitance). In dreams we can create 3d objects that we can interact with. Because this dimension isn't physical or have a truely defineable value, its debateable just really what it is. What exactly is consciousness? Whats the difference between a dream and a memory? Both can be mentally altered over time and you'll never physical relive either. You can usually tell the difference between life and a dream but once a moment passes, what proof do you have that you were actually there aside from your memory and the belief that the physical plain in front of you is there because something happened before it? I believe time (and numbers in general) is human made and simply used as a perspective. You can look up what happened 2 "years" ago and "remember" it but everything will keep changing. You can't go back in time because time isn't real (physical objects don't age so they have no perspective to be reverted back to) but can you go back into a state of consciousness that you were experiencing?

5D: Here we go. The afterlife, "god", ghosts, whatever you want to imagine. Physical existance ends here. This is consciousness beyond consciousness and as far as i can believe, the final dimension. Everytime i try to imagine what this place "looks like" my brain hurts. Some might believe that here you can see the past, present and future (again all human ideas) of our 4D plain. Why would you be able to see something that you didn't exist for? You would've had to have been conscious at one point to go back to the "past" (which can only be your strain of consciousness's past. ie past lives.). If your strain has another life yet to happen, you can't look at it yet because It has yet to happen . I subscribe to the belief that you can take any human at birth and (aside from genetic influences from hormones and all that) dictate exactly what they will grow up to be 10 out of 10 times so each life you start over is basically a clean slate.

I can't tell you exactly what being here would be like because it is beyond 4D comprehension. My 4D prejudice doesn't allow me to picture anything here accurately. If there's yet another dimension, well thats even harder for me to explain.