Quote Originally Posted by Sharla
Quote Originally Posted by NotGuilty136
"god" isn't all powerful and the numbers scientists are trying to shove down peoples throats are inaccurate. Accept that.
I'm always astounded when people talk about scientists in these debates as having one common agenda that goes against something or someone else like religion.

The fact is that they're a bunch of individuals who don't want to be known for be frauds or producing work that is not good quality.

They critique each other's publications brutally as they are often in competition with each other or at the least are passionate about what they think is good science.

You won't get a group of scientists covering for each other, especially worldwide. There a lot of different funding bodies for any type of research and there's no way they'd all be persuaded to sell something they don't believe is true.

Scientists can only look at the evidence they are able to find. They are not perfect. Some will make mistakes somtimes which is why other scientists must be brutal when deciding whether or not to let someone else's work be published.

I have heard of the occaisional fraud but ultimately they will be exposed - by OTHER scientist who want their jobs and their funding and have real results that contradict the lies and they want to publish them.

The scientific community is not one evil force trying to decieve people.
You'd be suprised. Scientist operate in a highly competitive enviroment and the desire to be the first to discover something special can certainly encourage a selective honesty. The study of human evolution is replete with either deliberate hoaxes, slight 'alterations' to skeletal casts and gross over exaggerations. Piltdown Man and Nebraska man are just a couple examples of entire missing link homanoids being created that didn't even exist, the Neanderthal skeletons were dishonestly assembled to give neanderthal man that stooped shoulder, jutting forehead and simian look, something that went undetected for well over half a decade, other famous fossil finds like the Lucy skeleton have had claims of its bipedal status massively overplayed and anyone who wants to examine the original skeletal material has to sign an agreememt saying that it's owners get to 'review' any articles or journals written by examiners prior to publication.

Deliberate forgeries are a MASSIVE industry when it comes to fossils, the most famous recent example being archeorapter from 10 years or so ago. It's not just anthropology and paleontology that are subject to such untruths but all fields of science has its bad eggs. There was a world outcry last year when stem cell scientist Hwang Woo-suk was convicted of fraud and dishonestly in making sensational (and untrue) claims about his remarkable breakthroughs in the field of cloning.

In history we have often seen a whole nation's science team operating in deceit, like during Nazi Germany for example. In America right now any rejection of the absolute truth and acceptance of evolution as the theory for human origins will see you lose your tenure's and never get appoitments anywhere. You are outside the scientific community and are completely ostraschised.

There is a wealth of evidence that contradicts evolution and that informtaion is censured by the scientific community. School classrooms in the United States especially have become a battleground with humanist educators trying to force legislation through the law courts that bans not only the teaching of alternatives to evolution but even to a discussion of any criticisms of the theory.

Regardless of your own personal beliefs such an approach is intellectually dishonest and quite frankly rather sinister.