To me Calzaghe still ain't that good.

[Tito BHB]

And for the likes of moving up pavlik and taylor

WELL

Pavlik is not good enough a boxer

Pavlik wore down taylor because taylor was aggressive and had been unentertaining and underestimated pavlik.. all pav has is his power and range, hes not fast enough and joe has too many angles for pavlik

And as far as jermain goes, hes fully capable of winning a rematch but if he should fight joe all he had against the likes of spinks was busyness but it was clear that if spinks were busier he was able to outbox jermain.. joe is far too busy and fast/ well crafted enough to whitewash taylor no question..

Its gotta be hopkins

[superheavyrhun]

Personally, I think that only one of those five guys in their prime would have beaten Joe, and that is Roy Jones Jnr, but I think Calzaghe would have given even RJJ a good workout for his victory.

The rest of them would struggle, and I think Benn and McClellan might have been beaten fairly badly.
I can imagine a similar thread to this popping up even if Hatton KO'd Mayweather in three rounds next month, some people just love to hate.

[LeftHookToTheBody]

Why do so many think McClellan would beat Calzaghe? McClellan had some boxing skills, but seldom chose to use them. Joe boxes his socks off for a wide UD. I do think Jones would win, but did a prime Jones ever fight anyone as good and unorthodox as Calzaghe? His most notable wins were over a green Hopkins and a drained Toney. He wins, but it's a 7-5 type of fight; he doesn't run away with it. A fight with Toney is a coin toss. Which Toney shows up? If he's at his peak, I think he beats Joe because at his peak Toney is one of the best counter punchers of all-time. If he comes in drained like he did against Jones, he loses UD.

[Fenster]

Why aint i suprised at this thread

The thread starter is a lone voice at the moment, give it a week all the usual suspects and PHONEY Kessler fans will have joined him.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think i must be one of the guys who really gives Joe Calzaghe the most S.H.I.T , but i have to say he is a top fighter and would not disgrace himself againest any fighter .
But if he had fought Collins he would be doing time for murder

[hackey100]

I really can't believe the shit that gets posted on here sometimes. Big sad click to the OP. What the hell can Calzaghe do to prove that he is probably the most gifted SMW in the sports history. Look clearly at what he has displayed. He has unbelievable hand speed, a great defence and clearly a granite chin and all backed up with plenty of power, especially earlier in his career. Even RJJ at his peak would at best have won a very close points decision. Toney?, you fucking idiot I like Calzaghe as a fighter, even if I believe he has been a bit slow to make the big fights, but one thing is clear to me, at 35 he has to be past his peak by a fair bit, yet still is able to win very well against somebody of Kessler's class.

[Tito BHB]

I really can't believe the shit that gets posted on here sometimes. Big sad click to the OP. What the hell can Calzaghe do to prove that he is probably the most gifted SMW in the sports history. Look clearly at what he has displayed. He has unbelievable hand speed, a great defence and clearly a granite chin and all backed up with plenty of power, especially earlier in his career. Even RJJ at his peak would at best have won a very close points decision. Toney?, you fucking idiot I like Calzaghe as a fighter, even if I believe he has been a bit slow to make the big fights, but one thing is clear to me, at 35 he has to be past his peak by a fair bit, yet still is able to win very well against somebody of Kessler's class.

How does posing the question of toney make him an idiot?

The subject as a whole does..

But if you disregard toney then you havent done your homework

[DaxxKahn]

Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?..No One and I Repeat NO ONE beats Roy Jones at Super Middleweight

Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ? Possible..Depends on which James Toney Showed up
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?Not Geralds best weight...I see Joe taking a decision

Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?Yes

Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?Benn would look good early but with the amount of punches Joe throws Benn's chin would eventually crack

[Mr140]

I think people think of Roy Jones as a Ali of 168 and he only had a few fights there and Tony was good not unbeatable. I think Joe would have a chance to beat both of them lets not forget that a past it prime Joe made Kess look like a fool I doubt past it Roy or Tony could. Who knows Hell i will go with Joe to win i not following the coward i think Joe can pull off a win against both not like i can be proved wrong so what the hell.

[SigmaMu]

I knew i would hear that kessler was overrated after this fight. I knew it.

I will be damned.
I never thought I would hear this one but yet here it is.

[DaxxKahn]

I think people think of Roy Jones as a Ali of 168 and he only had a few fights there and Tony was good not unbeatable. I think Joe would have a chance to beat both of them lets not forget that a past it prime Joe made Kess look like a fool I doubt past it Roy or Tony could. Who knows Hell i will go with Joe to win i not following the coward i think Joe can pull off a win against both not like i can be proved wrong so what the hell.

He was the Ali of 168...No he was not at 168 a long time and that much is clear but during the time he was there Jones was truly amazing,, He lacked in no department, Speed, power, name it he had it and not just a bit of it.....

[El Gamo]

To be honest,I don't see many threads like this being started,I mean Big Al and VD were the most vocal v JC ad even they have given credit to him. If they can,ANYONE can!

[cpcompany]

Its a disgrace to be slagging Calzaghe off after last nights performance. He dominated LAcy and Kessler, two fighters many people fancied to beat Calzaghe.

Its just a shame that he has chosen to take the big fights at such a late stage in his career. If he beats Hopkins there can surely be no question marks over his ability.

[OumaFan]

Maybe Lacy was a bit overrated but I don't think Kessler was, Calzaghe's just a great fighter. I'm not sure he'd beat Jones or Toney at 168 but that doesn't mean he isn't a great fighter.

[DaxxKahn]

Its a disgrace to be slagging Calzaghe off after last nights performance. He dominated LAcy and Kessler, two fighters many people fancied to beat Calzaghe.

Its just a shame that he has chosen to take the big fights at such a late stage in his career. If he beats Hopkins there can surely be no question marks over his ability.

CC#8 To sit and find ways to not give Joe his due after last night shows pure hater status...I wanted Kessler to win in the worst way but you gotta give Joe his due..anyone who doesn't either doesn't know boxing or is not worth debating with