These guys had a combine record of 82-0 and have both fought and beat all the top contenders at super middleweight dominating most of the opposition and both these guys are overratted? Mikkel Kessler lost to the longest reigning champion in the weight divisions history in a competitive fight and he overratted. Clearly you have missed 39 of his fights. You could argue that before last night he has lost less than five rounds in is career. Also Joe would have faired well against all of those guy. I think he could even give Jones a good close fight but probably lose a decision.