Quote Originally Posted by denilson200
Would he have beaten a peak Roy Jones at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak James Toney at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Gerald McClellan at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Steve Collins at super middle ?
Would he have beaten a peak Nigel Benn at super middle ?

I doubt it he would have beaten any of them, certainly not the 1st three. How good is he ? I still don't think he's that great, good, but not great. He beat Kessler (over rated) Lacy (over rated). For me he needs to beat one of Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins or Winky Wright
He never really beaten a really BADDDDD fighter IMO. A real marquee fighter.
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Nobody has hated on Joey C quite like me and check this out

Rjj - No

Toney- No

Mclellan - Close, but prob not

Collins Hell yes would have killed him

Benn - Would have shut him out

Lacy - Pre prime but a great win and the legit champ at the time so.. As far as the fact he has now won all four belts and legitimately.. That makes him the true ibf champ cos he beat the ibf man,
If i had the choice a win over lacy means more then the win over bute..

Kessler - OVERRATED? Fekkk no!!

Kessler showed alot of heart and skill , and it didnt come close enough
it was a hell diverse intense exciting matchup and joe passed with flying colours

So supermiddle who else is there?

Hes beaten all the lower tier challengers.. Manfredo is a credible challenger , not a test for a p4p'er but hes still easy top ten, Sakio is right up there

and Kessler was a legit champ, unified tried and tested, beaten mundine, beyer who regardless of factors was still a legit champ, beaten librado who was the most legit challenger in the division and whitewashed him

among all this who hes beaten and who his opponents have taken out hes done 168 hands down and got the pretty shiny belts to prove it..