Yea it is hard to see flaws in Jones at 168 but he did not fight much there. If he fought his whole career there and was a champ a long time there then i could see how good he really was at the weight. But most of his career was LH and were he was champ a long time at LH. And as far as Tony is concerned he was great but not unbeatable and he did lose and moved up and did better i think at other weights. And as far as me saying Kess look like a Fool to harsh but he was beat and look a lower level then Cal better way to put it. And the question to begin with is do i think Joe could beat them i said yea and that is were i disagree with a lot people on the post that think there is no way Joe could beat a Roy and i think Joe could.