Yea but Bernard was dominate at MW not SMW and they were both pretty green. Toney was weight drained at that weight not that it is a excuse but he was better at other weights. Over all at 168 Calzaghe has beat better guys over all and been dominate for 10 years so that to ne makes him number 1 on the list at 168. As far as them fighting who knows i give joe a shot to win does not seem out of the question thats all. I was saying no need to bring names i know who Roy beat and what stage they were when they beaten and what weight class they were at i know.