Quote Originally Posted by Scrap
Bhb you make a lot of sense. One point its always amused me. Why is it all the defensive masters well most of them cant put a sentence together, but the ones who werent can. Now not mentioning names, but I no of one guy in the 60s by you punching yourself out on him he would ware you down and beat you he was a rated fighter. 40 years on he does the Times crossword in 20 minutes. The clue is what happens in the gym this guy rarely sparred, the clever ones do. The answer to me is getting the balance right. the guys who want to be the champ in the gym dont become Champions of the world or very rarely. They dont leave it in the gym.
Toney wasn't really a defensive master, he had good defense but he did get hit with a lot of flush punches, plus he has took bombs from fighters who are much bigger than him naturally, like Samuel Peter, Jirov etc.