who here gives Jermain Taylor props for jumping right back into the Rematch?

[BigLuke]

Right then... Here goes.

Taylors damaged goods, I really feel he wont be world class again.
IMO fighting Pavlik back to back is suicidal, I mean credit to him for doing so but I think Taylor should have tooken some time to gather himself and ask himself if persuing boxing is something he REALLY wanted to persue futhermore.

I mean all that plays in mind is his voice saying he wanted to retire already since he had done it all and there was no one else for him to fight. When there was clearly loads of potential matchups but he felt his greatness had already been established.

I can't see the fight going past the 5th round, Pavlik now knows that all he needs is to land the right and JT's done.

JT will dominate the rematch, and I think he'll win by KO. The only thing that beat taylor was his stamina. This will be corrected and he will dominate.

[Deanrw]

I'm not discounting Taylor. If he can pace himself, he can beat Pavlik. He certainly has the tools to do it. He just has a habit of getting lethargic as the fight progresses. Pavlik, as we have seen, will not let him get away with that.

Old habits die hard. Maybe the loss will truly make him refocus. He has enough talent to become a dominant champion, but is the desire still there?

[Deanrw]

Right then... Here goes.

Taylors damaged goods, I really feel he wont be world class again.
IMO fighting Pavlik back to back is suicidal, I mean credit to him for doing so but I think Taylor should have tooken some time to gather himself and ask himself if persuing boxing is something he REALLY wanted to persue futhermore.

I mean all that plays in mind is his voice saying he wanted to retire already since he had done it all and there was no one else for him to fight. When there was clearly loads of potential matchups but he felt his greatness had already been established.

I can't see the fight going past the 5th round, Pavlik now knows that all he needs is to land the right and JT's done.

JT will dominate the rematch, and I think he'll win by KO. The only thing that beat taylor was his stamina. This will be corrected and he will dominate.

He will not win by KO. I guarantee he is training to potshot and counter kelly all night. He will not want to go after a KO again as it backfired last time. He will be going for a decision as he already knows he hit Kelly with everything but the kitchen sink the first time around and the guy keeps coming. He will not waste his resources this time.

Expect this fight to be a more tactical fight.

[ICB]

JT will dominate the rematch, and I think he'll win by KO. The only thing that beat taylor was his stamina. This will be corrected and he will dominate.

Its not just as easy as *Correcting* his stamina, most of the problem is due to nervous energy. And it isn't that easy to control it either, and plus it wasn't Taylor's stamina that let him down it was the accumulation of punishment from Pavlik that done it. And how will Taylor dominate ?? you do realize that was the best Taylor we had seen out of any of his other championship fights right ?? he was using the jab again and he was putting his punches together very well. Pavlik has the longer reach and can go jab to jab with Taylor and even out jab him with the few extra inches he has on the jab. No way on this earth will Taylor dominate Pavlik.

[Lance Uppercut]

JT is a true champion. He has always fought the best, and ducked no one. That being said, I think Pavlik knocks him out again and ruins him.

[RozzySean]

Its not just as easy as *Correcting* his stamina, most of the problem is due to nervous energy. And it isn't that easy to control it either, and plus it wasn't Taylor's stamina that let him down it was the accumulation of punishment from Pavlik that done it. And how will Taylor dominate ?? you do realize that was the best Taylor we had seen out of any of his other championship fights right ?? he was using the jab again and he was putting his punches together very well. Pavlik has the longer reach and can go jab to jab with Taylor and even out jab him with the few extra inches he has on the jab. No way on this earth will Taylor dominate Pavlik.

Exactly, Ice. I think Taylor comes into fights in superb condition, but it's the nervous energy that always kills him. Most people don't realize how much that kind of tension takes out of you. Pavlik is exactly the opposite. He's totally relaxed, doesn't waste energy. It makes a difference when it comes to taking punches, too. Come in that tense, take lots of punches, eat stiff jabs and it's a recipe for getting KTFO. Come in relaxed, you take punches better.

If Taylor had Pavlik's poise in the ring, he would have beaten Kelly in round 2. Once he had Pavliks hurt, he would have used his brain, relaxed, and set up the kill, llike Pavlik did to Taylor when once he had his man in trouble. The longer the fight goes, the more Pavlik will control the fight, and eventually he'll stop him.

But credit to JT, even if it's just for the money. I bet JT thinks he can win, though, and props to him for getting back on the horse.

[ICB]

Totally agree i'll give you good karma for that post.

[Preme]

sorry but after wtaxhing that fight the MINIMUM you would epext would be a rematch... taylor was schooling pavliks second rate ability before the dumb bastard went and tired him self out.

two things you can take from that fight

1. if taylor could finish he would still be the champion.
2. Pavlik is a decent boxer at best.

[USA LOVES THE KLITSCHKOS]

Jt gave it all he had and fell short I think what he learned from the first fight will keep him going a little longer this time,either way I'm sure they will provide a nail biting fight.

[ICB]

sorry but after wtaxhing that fight the MINIMUM you would epext would be a rematch... taylor was schooling pavliks second rate ability before the dumb bastard went and tired him self out.

two things you can take from that fight

1. if taylor could finish he would still be the champion.
2. Pavlik is a decent boxer at best.

Hold on a minute did i read that right ?? how was Taylor schooling Pavlik ?? the fight was very even going into the 7th in fact i had the bout even and Ledderman had Pavlik up 4 rounds to 2 if i remember right. Taylor tried his hardest to finish Pavlik he hit him with 44 power shots what else could he have done ?? maybe just maybe Pavlik has great survival instinct that got him through the round then he proceeded to go even all the way with Taylor. I have noticed from a lot of your posts that you dislike Kelly Pavlik but come on give credit when credit is due. Pavlik is good for the sport when is the last time we had exciting Middleweight champion ?? and as for Pavlik's boxing skills there not great but he has a great jab and he sets up a lot of his offense with his jab which is a good thing, and he also has that equalizer his power. Except for Taylor who can beat Pavlik at Middleweight at the moment ??

[DaxxKahn]

who here gives Jermain Taylor props for jumping right back into the Rematch with Kelly Pavlik?

I sure do!

I don't give him prop's for rematching Pavlik...It is what he should do...Be it for a titler or not.....He was the champion and should wantr the rematch just to prove he is still a fighter worthy of the top tier...It will also help him keep his ratings...or If he stays in the SMW division it will help put him in line for a title shot...

Taylor was not out gunned really and certainly not outboxed...So it is not like he has much of a reason to avoid Pavlik....

I am not a Taylor fan nor making predictions but would not be surprised if he won the rematch

[boozeboxer]

Okay. I give JT mad props for doing the re-match. I give Kelly props for granting JT the re-match as well. As a focused JT is a very tough night.

I wouldn't have fought Kelly on my first fight back though. I would have fought a tune up. As he needs some confidence.

[DAVIDTUA]

right guys but im sure you all understand the bottom line point that i was trying to make and that is: taylor is NOT screwing over us fight fans by fighting 2 or 3 warm ups first, he's jumping right back in there with kelly like a real fighter should.
i can list pages and pages of fighters and so called champs who after a huge loss, screw over us fight fans by taking on NO NAME opponents and making us wait somtimes 5 + years for a rematch!

[BigLuke]

tune ups to build confidence? that is so overrated. Hes fought the best he doesnt need to build confidence, he just needs to hit the gym harder. Taylor was quoted in an arkansas paper saying he wasnt running or training as he did before he was champion. He would take days off. He says thats no more, and that he has his mind right. YOu'll see a different animal. Taylor was a better fighter 6 fights ago is what people dont realize. Thats because he had Pat burns and Burns had his butt in the gym runnin the crap out of him.

[Kirkland Laing]

i mean most fighters after a big loss epsecially a big KO loss tend to take a easy asss fight or even two or 3 easy asss fights to gain their composure, confidence and even stock back before jumpin in with the man who made them sleep, but taylor is jumping right back in!

Yes. It's why I'm leaning towards picking him to beat Pavlik in the rematch. There had to be some reason that Taylor had a rematch at 168 clause in the original fight contract and I think Taylor was murdered at the weight so they built insurance in with the clause. If you look at photographs from the weigh-in Taylor looked freeze-dried. I think it's a different fight at 168.