How would PBF vs RJJ p4p really go down?

[ICB]

Well first off the Jones that fought Griffin in the 1st fight was not Jones at his best. He was way too defensive and didn't look that interested in the fight, but he still managed to floor Griffin in the 7th and he still come on strong in the later rounds. And was on the verge of stopping Griffin until the controversial DQ. But when Jones fought with passion in the 2nd fight he destroyed Griffin in 1 round, so i don't think its fair to use Jones vs Griffin 1 as an example because that wasn't Jones at his best and Griffin is nothing like Mayweather at all, Griffin is very short opponent and has a very awkward style. And you say that Mayweather is the type of guy Jones hates to fight, but didn't Jones dominate James Toney ?? a fighter who also uses the shoulder roll to good effect and has very good counter punching skills ?? but Jones still made those skills ineffective for Toney because Jones was much too quick on his feet and he got in and out, Jones also has an excellent arrange of punches and he can punch from all angles something Mayweather has never experienced before in his career. And plus Jones had much more power at 168 than he did at Light Heavyweight.

Also Roy has had a hard time hitting Hopkins as well who is a tricky fighter just like Montell...

Oh come on Taeth Jones had an easy time with Hopkins he was basically cruising against Hopkins, plus he injured his right hand and it wasn't his best performance. And plus it was mostly a defensive fight with both men not really committing so its hard to land at a good percentage especially someone who is a good as Hopkins technically.

better coordinated, better taught fighter than Montell who gave Jones problems technically

I really don't see why you keep bringing this fight up, first off Griffin is nothing like Mayweather at all, plus it wasn't nowhere near Jones best performance because he was too defensive but he still was on the verge of KO Griffin. In the rematch when Jones was well up for the fight he dismantled Griffin, and thats what you should be looking at. How effective Jones was and how sharp he was when he was at his best and was really up for the fight.

[RozzySean]

It's a pointless argument because the size differental is too great. Are you talking about a MW or SMW version of Jones against a 154 Floyd. That would be Floyds absolute biggest against Roy's absolute smallest. Roy grew into a full sized 175 who could move up to HW and beat a decent fighter. Floyd isn't even big WW. He filled out into a natural 140 lber who fights in the WW division because the money is better and the fighter are bigger.

It's not like Tito, where Tito was a big Welter and an OK middle.

But assuming that we could magically grow Floyd by 20lbs and 3 inches, he would give Roy absolute fits. Floyd is better p4p than Hopkins IMHO, and he his more athletic than even a prime Toney. It would probably be a total chess match and very close. I would lean to Floyd because of his superior skill.

[The Boxer]

It's a pointless argument because the size differental is too great. Are you talking about a MW or SMW version of Jones against a 154 Floyd. That would be Floyds absolute biggest against Roy's absolute smallest. Roy grew into a full sized 175 who could move up to HW and beat a decent fighter. Floyd isn't even big WW. He filled out into a natural 140 lber who fights in the WW division because the money is better and the fighter are bigger.

It's not like Tito, where Tito was a big Welter and an OK middle.

But assuming that we could magically grow Floyd by 20lbs and 3 inches, he would give Roy absolute fits. Floyd is better p4p than Hopkins IMHO, and he his more athletic than even a prime Toney. It would probably be a total chess match and very close. I would lean to Floyd because of his superior skill.

Your mis understanding the point of the topic. This is P4P or should i say Skill for Skill. It has nothing to do with size or weight. Pretty much were saying that skill for skill if PBF and Jones got fought each other who would win skill for skill. We're not including size. We're saying lets assume there there both natural 140 pounders who wins. Take weight out of the eqautions.

[Julius Rain]

THIS IS AN EASY QUESTION. jones has fought two just as great or greater defensive fighter like floyd and he had an easy night against them. floyd has never fought anything like jones, and he has nothing in his advantage to think he could last against jones.

prime vs prime, jones would dominate floyd easy u.d or ktfo.

[JT Rock]

This has been done a zillion times and still is pointless, I dont mean to sound terse, its just that your comparing fighters that are light years away... Its like comparing Pac-Man vs Joe Calzaghe.

Floyd is light years ahead of Roy in technical brilliance

Floyds defense is just as good if not better than Hopkins and Toney not to mention he is 10x faster on his feet than Hopkins or Toney and unorthodox enough to trouble Jones in addition to Footspeed he beats Roy by a country mile as well..

[The Boxer]

i don't find the topic to be pointless at all. In fact i'm glad somebody has finaly done this topic without a bunch people saying roy is just big PBF. Finily someboy seems to understand the question is about skill not about weight. It makes for intersting discussin. Though will most likely never get an answer to the question it's nice to hear peoples arugments.

[Spicoli]

I have absolutly no desire to mount a soapbox for either one but On these grounds ...On What "The Boxer" Is looking for as a comparison.....

Pure fundamentals and over all boxing technique 101 In the purest sense..I think Its Floyd over Jones as far as p4p In a hypothetical match up. Jones was an exceptional and premiere Great but when you get down down to It he was Very unorthadox with tons of Speed,Instinct,Reflex,athletisism,Handspeed Etc. But in all around traditional polished and honed long lasting fundamentals and skill that might beat the other,IMO Its Floyd.

[Taeth]

THIS IS AN EASY QUESTION. jones has fought two just as great or greater defensive fighter like floyd and he had an easy night against them. floyd has never fought anything like jones, and he has nothing in his advantage to think he could last against jones.

prime vs prime, jones would dominate floyd easy u.d or ktfo.

I think Zab Judah athletically and in terms of timing and speed is more of the problems Roy would give Floyd than any opponent Roy has foughten having similar attributes to MAyweather.

James Toney is a great fighter, but his footspeed was really effected by the weighing 180 pounds during the fight, and James Toney is a great counter puncher not defensive fighter... Michael Nunn hit Toney as easiyl as Roy did its just Nunn couldn't punch and he wasn't as fast as Jones so he got countered more. Floyd fights nothing like Toney, He uses more movement a better jab, he counters more like Roy(In his prime) and now more like HOpkins than like TOney. More importantly FLoyd isn't as fast as RJJ p4p, but he can keep up with him.

I am not even comparing their skill I am saying that Floyd's style which IMO is unothortdox would give Jones fits. If Mayweather's style was orthodox you would see many more guys fighting with it, but only a handful of guys have been able to fight with the shoulder roll at the top level. Another factor is the only punch that can get to Floyd from that stance is the jab, and Roy doesn't usually throw a jab... I think he would feel defensive against Floyd because he wouldn't see any opponings... And against Toney in the first round when Roy tried to land his left hook he wasn't able to, he had to open up to start landing punches, but I think that Floyd would start using his speed which Roy hasn't experienced anything similar to and put Roy on the defensive, after that its two of the quickest, smartest guys we've seen in 20 years doing what they do best... trying to figure eachother out.

As for people who deny Floyd's speed... go watch him when he was at 130-135 and you will remember he was CRAZY fast. He didn't throw combinations but his jab was lightning, and he was so fast he could lean back as a person jabed then come forward overtop with a straight right... I havent' seen anything like it.

[RozzySean]

Your mis understanding the point of the topic. This is P4P or should i say Skill for Skill. It has nothing to do with size or weight. Pretty much were saying that skill for skill if PBF and Jones got fought each other who would win skill for skill. We're not including size. We're saying lets assume there there both natural 140 pounders who wins. Take weight out of the eqautions.

Did you read my last paragraph? Gave my oppinion on the hypothetical.

Taeth said pretty much what I would have said if I had more time for the post. P4P, both in terms of skill and matchup, Jones would have a very hard time with Floyd.

[The Boxer]

the more i think about it the fight will turn into a staring contest with roy doing randam shit to throw PBF off his game.

[Pugilistic]

Roy jones would win close UD

[The Rookie Fan]

I feel that even if you take the size factor out of the equation, Roy would still have an advantage in power. I know the 130-35 Mayweather had good power but at 160-68 Jones had better.

The X factor would be Jones's chin but I don't think Floyd would be able to KO him.

So the way I see it. Floyd has the skill to beat Jones but he will most likely be tentative and have low punch output. While Jones will most likely be flurrying and have a high punch output.

Jones by UD or late stoppage based on work rate and power advantage.

[The Boxer]

PBF is more like James toney or even like hopkins to a certain degree. He kinda of a mixture of the two. I say this since Roy fought both guys, this will help comparisons. I would argue that toney wasn't at his best the night he fought jones but he might would have still lost anyway.

I love PBF but a Prime Roy Jones had super fast hands. PBF has fast hands but not as fast as Roy. On the flip side PBF footwork would help him defensivley because it would be harder for Roy to get off combos. Foot speed isn't something Toney is really Known for. PBF would definetly have to use his Jab. He use to use a nice jab to the body. Roy also would defentliy have to use his jab. I don't recomend either fighter leading with lefthooks.

I still don't have a clear winner in my head yet.