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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Williams seems to lack power,I mean most were saying that he used slapping punches v Tony on purpose,I don't think he did.And it showed here.It appears there probably will be a rematch,although I hope it's not straight away!

    Dam that bum Margarito!!!

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Tony made two big mistakes. He didn't let his hands go enough, and he stayed right in from of Williams and used his hands to pick off punches. Williams was getting credit for a lot of shots that Tony was blocking or parrying with his gloves, and the problem was made worse because he didn't throw back. Of course throwing back is harder when you block or parry instead of weave and slip. Quintana slipped and used angles, and Paul wasn't able to get off combos at a moving target. He slowed down Williams output with movement and accurate counterpunching. Quintana fought a great fight and exposed plenty of flaws in Paul's game, including his lack of real power. Tony played right into Williams strengths, and when you look closely at Tony's record, he has trouble with tall southpaws.

    I would like to see Quintana expose Berto next

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    I thought it was a pretty big upset. That being said, it was also one of the sloppiest fights I've seen in a while. I give much credit to Quintana for pulling it out, but honestly, I wasn't overly impressed with either guy last night. Let's be real, that was NOT the same Paul Williams who beat Margarito.I don't want to take away Quintana's credit, but I think Paul had a very off night. I think this also proves the dictum that styles make fights. Quintana had the style to beat Williams, but I honestly can't see him beating many of the top welters. I think Margarito would scrape Quintana, and unlike some of you I think Berto would have a good shot against him as well.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I thought it was a pretty big upset. That being said, it was also one of the sloppiest fights I've seen in a while. I give much credit to Quintana for pulling it out, but honestly, I wasn't overly impressed with either guy last night. Let's be real, that was NOT the same Paul Williams who beat Margarito.I don't want to take away Quintana's credit, but I think Paul had a very off night. I think this also proves the dictum that styles make fights. Quintana had the style to beat Williams, but I honestly can't see him beating many of the top welters. I think Margarito would scrape Quintana, and unlike some of you I think Berto would have a good shot against him as well.
    But Paul had a bad night because styles do make fights. For example, Williams throws 800 punches per round or so usually, but Quintana moved so much that Paul was unable to throw as many as usual. Margarito was perfect for Williams because he was in Paul's range all night and couple that with a good chin and Williams looks like a world beater. When Cotto fought Quintana, Cotto, the expert, relentless pressure fighter, was able to assert himself. Williams is not that kind of pressure fighter (lets not confuse pressure with workrate, not that you are) Cotto is. Margarito will give Quintana problems because of his power and pressure, but Tony throws many wide punches and I think Quintana's movement, counterpunching ability, and clinching abilities will allow him to compete more than you give him credit.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Not surprised at all. Another loss would of pretty much finished Quintana as a contender. So I knew he was going to come out strong and with his best effort. And he did.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Quote Originally Posted by Rican View Post
    But Paul had a bad night because styles do make fights. For example, Williams throws 800 punches per round or so usually, but Quintana moved so much that Paul was unable to throw as many as usual. Margarito was perfect for Williams because he was in Paul's range all night and couple that with a good chin and Williams looks like a world beater. When Cotto fought Quintana, Cotto, the expert, relentless pressure fighter, was able to assert himself. Williams is not that kind of pressure fighter (lets not confuse pressure with workrate, not that you are) Cotto is. Margarito will give Quintana problems because of his power and pressure, but Tony throws many wide punches and I think Quintana's movement, counterpunching ability, and clinching abilities will allow him to compete more than you give him credit.
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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    It makes me wonder what will happen on the 16th . I was shocked Williams lost and i still am. Perhaps he should have concentrated on Quintana instead of the other welterweights "ducking him".

    Full props to Quintana for coming back strong after the brutal loss to Cotto.

    Pavlik at least seems to have his head on straight, and win or loss this coming Saturday there will be no excuses.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Its not even that big of an upset, quintana has one lost only against cotto. Pw has one good win thats over tony. to me it was 55-45 a slight lean towards pw. I doubt it'll be upset of the year or anything like that, it was just two good fighters, the slight underdog pulling it out.

    so calm down guys, its not that big of a deal

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Quintana fought a smart fight - ducking below Williams jab and long arms and catching Williams with the hooks. Williams proved he's got a decent chin but was far too easy too nail especially considering his height and reach advantages.

    It was an upset and Williams gave himself too much to do after the 1st few rounds.

    Looked like a simple case of motivation and preparation. Quintana went in with a clear gameplan and executed it from the start while Williams took a fair few rounds to get going and never really had an answer to Quintana's style which would suggest that maybe the Williams camp were expecting an easier night than they got.

    Good win for Carlos - he thoroughly deserved the win.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    Quote Originally Posted by El Gamo View Post
    Williams seems to lack power,I mean most were saying that he used slapping punches v Tony on purpose,I don't think he did.And it showed here.It appears there probably will be a rematch,although I hope it's not straight away!

    Dam that bum Margarito!!!


    Hey watch the Margarito hater comments


    I don't think this was much of an upset IMO....Quintana is a good fighter who beat another good fighter that was a little too full of himself
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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    I was surprised, real surprised, not that I thought Quintana was a bad fighter, I just didn't see the styles working out for him. Was wrong.

    The more I see Williams, the less I want to watch him. I usually like busy fighters but Williams bores me.

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    Default Re: Biggest upset of the year?Post your thoughts on pW v Quintana here

    I consider an upset one where you have a one percent chance and then you win. I picked Williams (because of the reach and the activity level), but I knew Quintana had boxing ability and could do enough to defeat Williams. I would say I am more suprised that Williams did so terribly as opposed to surprised Quintana won.

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