Robbery [spoilers]

[BigLuke]

Oh did he really, well never mind the comment than because I was at a bar watching this with a freaking band playing, so I couldn't really hear much. Well I still think there is no way taylor won, and from what I have read most agree, all the judges thought pavlik won(and I will agree that by itself don't mean much),but espn and the associated press had pavlik also winning, wouldn't there be more disparity in opinions if taylor truly got robbed Also once again pavlik threw twice as many punches almost, landed I don't know 70 or 80% more and don't say taylor blocked with his gloves, cause kelly did that to half of taylors punches. And again kelly certainly looked much fresher and better by the end of the fight where as taylor had a tumor starting to grow on his eye.

man.. if you didnt even watch the fight then dont make comments like i think there is no way taylor won the fight.

[armin]

man.. if you didnt even watch the fight then dont make comments like i think there is no way taylor won the fight.

UUUUM when did I ever say I didn't watch the fight It equates to watching the fight at home with the sound off, but except silence there is loud music playing!!! And yes I don't think there is a chance in hell taylor won, just reapeating and stating that he got robbed doesn't make it so. Explaing away the disparity in punchstats, all the judges and espen and ap having it for pavlik, and then on top of all that look at pavlik's face and then taylors and then with a straight face tell me that taylor got robbed, just because a fight is close doesn't make it a robbery. You saw the fight differently than I did but there is a big difference between a close fight and a robbery, I mean if this was a robbery then we could call half the fights in history robberies!

[RP33]

UUUUM when did I ever say I didn't watch the fight It equates to watching the fight at home with the sound off, but except silence there is loud music playing!!! And yes I don't think there is a chance in hell taylor won, just reapeating and stating that he got robbed doesn't make it so. Explaing away the disparity in punchstats, all the judges and espen and ap having it for pavlik, and then on top of all that look at pavlik's face and then taylors and then with a straight face tell me that taylor got robbed, just because a fight is close doesn't make it a robbery. You saw the fight differently than I did but there is a big difference between a close fight and a robbery, I mean if this was a robbery then we could call half the fights in history robberies!

WRONG

one judge on espn had it a draw, one for taylor, one for pavlik.. So, no, they did NOT have it for Pavlik..

As far as i know, judging the condition of boxers faces is not part of the criteria of judging.. Taylor always swells up, so i wasn't surprised that he did.

At least say something of some substance, like Pavlik outjabbed Taylor.. Pavlik won the fight on the basis of his jab, punches thrown, and short punches.. If you would've heard that before the fight you probably would've laughed..

The fact that that is how Taylor lost to Kelly Pavlik, the KO artist, the undefeated middleweight champ with 29 of 32 wins by KO is saying something in and of itself..

Make a post with some substance instead of saying that ESPN had it for Pavlik, when they did NOT.

[armin]

Rp I stand corrected I looked at not the epsn article they have on it but the round by round and yes one had it a draw and the others one a piece for each fighter. I know the look of a fighter doesn't really matter since one punch can often times rip a cut open in a boxers eyes, but that was just in reply to people saying that pavlik really didn't land anything significant throughout the fight and that taylor blocked all those punches, if that bulge was caused by insignificant punches than what would a hard punch done to taylors eye? I already mentioned the disparity in punchstats but nobody even seems to aknowledge those. Basically my problem is not with people thinking that taylor won the fight, I've myself thought fighters won a fight when they didn't on judges' scorecards, my problem lies with people calling this a robbery!! That's that

[RP33]

Rp I stand corrected I looked at not the epsn article they have on it but the round by round and yes one had it a draw and the others one a piece for each fighter. I know the look of a fighter doesn't really matter since one punch can often times rip a cut open in a boxers eyes, but that was just in reply to people saying that pavlik really didn't land anything significant throughout the fight and that taylor blocked all those punches, if that bulge was caused by insignificant punches than what would a hard punch done to taylors eye? I already mentioned the disparity in punchstats but nobody even seems to aknowledge those. Basically my problem is not with people thinking that taylor won the fight, I've myself thought fighters won a fight when they didn't on judges' scorecards, my problem lies with people calling this a robbery!! That's that

nah, i hear you dude.. as far as Pavlik not landing 'significant' punches, i agree in the sense of considering the way Taylor was fighting.. If Pavlik was landing jabs and short punches the whole fight (which he did), and his opponent was not returning with much, then i'd say an easy UD for Pavlik.. But Taylor was CLEARLY landing harder punches, and he connected with a number of them.. It was not like Taylor wasn't active throughout those rounds either.. There were several rounds where he fought for 3:00 of the round.. When you have a fighter landing 25 jabs, and the other fighter landing several punches that throw his opponent off balance, they sort of off-set each other, and it really depends on who is doing more damage and taking control of the fight.. Compared to the first fight, i didn't think Taylor was out of control nearly as much, and felt that he was very calm and collected and was firing at will.

[armin]

nah, i hear you dude.. as far as Pavlik not landing 'significant' punches, i agree in the sense of considering the way Taylor was fighting.. If Pavlik was landing jabs and short punches the whole fight (which he did), and his opponent was not returning with much, then i'd say an easy UD for Pavlik.. But Taylor was CLEARLY landing harder punches, and he connected with a number of them.. It was not like Taylor wasn't active throughout those rounds either.. There were several rounds where he fought for 3:00 of the round.. When you have a fighter landing 25 jabs, and the other fighter landing several punches that throw his opponent off balance, they sort of off-set each other, and it really depends on who is doing more damage and taking control of the fight.. Compared to the first fight, i didn't think Taylor was out of control nearly as much, and felt that he was very calm and collected and was firing at will.

Yes taylor did seem to be much more calm and collected this time around then he was in the first fight, though there were moments when I thought he was losing it, I swear I think I saw him jump of the ground at one point while throwing a wide looping hook. If kellys jabs were pity paty jabs and the disparity in the punches wasn't as big as it is I would agree, but kellys jabs in itself are damaging punches I think, and I didn't feel as though taylors punches were really that much more damaging to kelly. I guess greater minds have disagreed and like I said no probelm in thinking taylor won, but let's not call this a robbery when it really was just a close fight. Even if I did think taylor won I wouldn't feel to sorry for him because there were times when I thought he was on the good end of a bad decision.

[Deanrw]

Dibella
""I'm not arguing with the scorecards. It could have gone either way. I think the other guy [Pavlik] is a big, strong monster and Jermain was trying to box to a win, and I think he came damn close. I thought he pulled it out, but he has nothing to be ashamed of. This is not the kind of fight you argue about. It's the kind of fight you appreciate."

Ozell Nelson,

"I think tonight speaks for itself. I thought I did a pretty good job, but we came up short."

Even Taylor's own camp do not consider the fight to be a robbery.

[Diane]

Here is a great write-up by Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. Both he and Dan Rafael of ESPN are reporting that Pavlik is going to the hospital to have both of his hands x-rayed. According to Iole, Pavlik was having stingers in both hands, and according to Rafael, Pavlik thinks he broke his right hand in the 7th round.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

[Deanrw]

WRONG

one judge on espn had it a draw, one for taylor, one for pavlik.. So, no, they did NOT have it for Pavlik..

As far as i know, judging the condition of boxers faces is not part of the criteria of judging.. Taylor always swells up, so i wasn't surprised that he did.

At least say something of some substance, like Pavlik outjabbed Taylor.. Pavlik won the fight on the basis of his jab, punches thrown, and short punches.. If you would've heard that before the fight you probably would've laughed..

The fact that that is how Taylor lost to Kelly Pavlik, the KO artist, the undefeated middleweight champ with 29 of 32 wins by KO is saying something in and of itself..

Make a post with some substance instead of saying that ESPN had it for Pavlik, when they did NOT.

I personally had the fight a draw and I was expecting a late stoppage or close decision win for Pavlik. I knew going in that Taylor would make the fight difficult for him, and that he did. Flash does not always win fights though and Pavlik stuck to his game plan and did his thing. Yes Pavlik is a KO artist, but Taylor fought smart and did not give him the chance. Pavlik took what was given to him. I would not have been disappointed if Taylor won either, but to call this fight a robbery is just way too out there for me.

Taylor was flashier, threw some great combos, but Pavlik threw and landed more punches and won many rounds for simply being busier and being consistent.

[BigLuke]

UUUUM when did I ever say I didn't watch the fight It equates to watching the fight at home with the sound off, but except silence there is loud music playing!!! And yes I don't think there is a chance in hell taylor won, just reapeating and stating that he got robbed doesn't make it so. Explaing away the disparity in punchstats, all the judges and espen and ap having it for pavlik, and then on top of all that look at pavlik's face and then taylors and then with a straight face tell me that taylor got robbed, just because a fight is close doesn't make it a robbery. You saw the fight differently than I did but there is a big difference between a close fight and a robbery, I mean if this was a robbery then we could call half the fights in history robberies!

actually check your crap... all the judges from espn dont have it for pavlick. one has it draw. one for taylor and one for pavlick.