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    Default Re: Pantera blasts Abraham.... and he is right!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pantera View Post
    You obviously are clueless as to the inside of boxing and how fights are setup. If HBO wants Miranda to fight any of the people you mentioned and they would take the fight, Edison would be on board. Just as he was leading up to the Pavlik fight. Without HBO he has no choice but to take a few buildup fights. Now the networks (HBO and SHO) are back behind him and he will fight whoever they can setup.

    Abraham, being the champ, hand picks whoever he wants. He is obviously picking the lowest caliber opponents that his network is willing to accept. He has not stepped in the ring with one worthy opponent since Miranda beat his ass. He has the options, Miranda just takes what the networks will give him.
    First of all AA doesn't pick his opponents,but his management does...
    AA will fight(just like your boy) whoever he is set up with...
    And secondly I don't even disagree that much with Miranda...I just think that he is in no position to speak, considering the opposition he fought...

    And btw "since Miranda beat his ass." haha...I think someone can't cope with a loss...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss View Post
    First of all AA doesn't pick his opponents,but his management does...
    AA will fight(just like your boy) whoever he is set up with...
    And secondly I don't even disagree that much with Miranda...I just think that he is in no position to speak, considering the opposition he fought...
    And his managment (Wilfred 'Mr Corruption' Sauerland) hand picks the softest opponents he can. Abraham should stand up and tell him he wants the best. Ultimately he has a say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantera View Post
    And his managment (Wilfred 'Mr Corruption' Sauerland) hand picks the softest opponents he can. Abraham should stand up and tell him he wants the best. Ultimately he has a say.

    So does Miranda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantera View Post
    And his managment (Wilfred 'Mr Corruption' Sauerland) hand picks the softest opponents he can. Abraham should stand up and tell him he wants the best. Ultimately he has a say.
    If Abraham only fights soft, hand-picked opponents, how come he ever fought Miranda? Fact is, Abraham fought through and won despite a broken jaw. Now Miranda will have to display similar qualities despite a burst bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barlick View Post
    If Abraham only fights soft, hand-picked opponents, how come he ever fought Miranda? Fact is, Abraham fought through and won despite a broken jaw. Now Miranda will have to display similar qualities despite a burst bubble.
    Miranda was his mandatory. He had no choice to fight or give up the belt. Gevor was his next mandatory when Miranda went to fight Pavlik instead of the rematch. Abraham is a champ, but gets no respect for his choice of opponents. If you respect him, than it doesnt take much for you, huh?

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    Abraham responds to Miranda!

    Undefeated IBF middleweight champion King Arthur Abraham has advised Edison Miranda to seek psychological help following his latest verbal outburst. "He must still be traumatised by our first meeting," King Arthur (25-0, 20 KOs) said. "I kicked his butt even though I had my jaw broken twice. That must have done something to his heart and brain. If Miranda wants to speak to someone about his mental problems, then he should go and see a psychiatrist." Miranda publicly demanded a rematch with Abraham – even though according to Sauerland Event he had turned down an offer for a rematch last summer. "I cannot understand Miranda´s remarks at all," Sauerland managing director Chris Meyer said. "Last summer, when Arthur had to make his mandatory defense, we offered Miranda a rematch. But he turned down and moved up to super middleweight instead." Wilfried Sauerland also laughed off Miranda´s latest antics. "Arthur is the best middleweight in the world," the manager stated. "He will fight anybody anywhere."


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss View Post
    Abraham responds to Miranda!

    Undefeated IBF middleweight champion King Arthur Abraham has advised Edison Miranda to seek psychological help following his latest verbal outburst. "He must still be traumatised by our first meeting," King Arthur (25-0, 20 KOs) said. "I kicked his butt even though I had my jaw broken twice. That must have done something to his heart and brain. If Miranda wants to speak to someone about his mental problems, then he should go and see a psychiatrist." Miranda publicly demanded a rematch with Abraham – even though according to Sauerland Event he had turned down an offer for a rematch last summer. "I cannot understand Miranda´s remarks at all," Sauerland managing director Chris Meyer said. "Last summer, when Arthur had to make his mandatory defense, we offered Miranda a rematch. But he turned down and moved up to super middleweight instead." Wilfried Sauerland also laughed off Miranda´s latest antics. "Arthur is the best middleweight in the world," the manager stated. "He will fight anybody anywhere."


    source: fightnews.com
    I'll believe that when I see him come stateside to face Pavlik. His camp makes a good point about Miranda giving up his chance to rematch, but I think pigs will fly before he leaves Germany to fight a top caliber opponent. Still, he's probably the 3rd best MW, behind Pavlik and Taylor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
    I'll believe that when I see him come stateside to face Pavlik. His camp makes a good point about Miranda giving up his chance to rematch, but I think pigs will fly before he leaves Germany to fight a top caliber opponent. Still, he's probably the 3rd best MW, behind Pavlik and Taylor.
    Miranda remained the mandatory after the 'robbery' in their first fight. When Pantera decided to fight Pavlik to get to Tayor, the mandatory was dropped and given to Gevor. That was the only time a rematch could have happened. There was never an offer after that.

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    Default Re: Pantera blasts Abraham.... and he is right!

    i would like to see pavlik- abraham, i wouldn't mind a miranda abraham rematch either

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    Default Re: Pantera blasts Abraham.... and he is right!

    I'm a big fan of King Arthur but there is no question his opposition, Miranda aside has been piss poor.

    Miranda fought Howard Eastman when Eastman was still a somebody, the same Eastman who was unlucky to lose to Abraham. He fought an ubeaten Allen Green, he fought Kelly Pavlik as well and is now going to fight unbeaten Jean Pascal. Significantly he also travelled to Abraham's back yard to make that fight happen.

    Even his softest fight against David Banks has still twice defeated Abraham's next world title opponent.

    I'm losing all respect for Abraham right now, he's picking simply unworthy opponents. In back to back fights with Elcock and Alaya it's hard to pick another champion in the whole of boxing who is taking easier fights.

    Miranda's level of competition is much higher, to deny this is simply to know nothing about boxing.

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    ....anyone think a John Duddy-Arthur Abraham fight would be a good one? And that would be a HUGE step up in competition for Arthur....Duddy would be a step UP in competition for him

    That's how poor the opponents he has been fighting are....hell even fight a good German like Sylvester or Sturm!


    Abraham is the new Svenn Ottke

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    Default Re: Pantera blasts Abraham.... and he is right!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    ....anyone think a John Duddy-Arthur Abraham fight would be a good one? And that would be a HUGE step up in competition for Arthur....Duddy would be a step UP in competition for him

    That's how poor the opponents he has been fighting are....hell even fight a good German like Sylvester or Sturm!


    Abraham is the new Svenn Ottke
    Nah even Ottke faced a prime Robin Reid and Charles Brewer not to mention Anthony Mundine and Glen Johnson.

    So far Abrahams record doesn't come close to Ottke's
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    Default Re: Pantera blasts Abraham.... and he is right!

    ...yeah but those were tag-team fights...Ottke and the Ref vs the other fighter

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo View Post
    Nah even Ottke faced a prime Robin Reid and Charles Brewer not to mention Anthony Mundine and Glen Johnson.

    So far Abrahams record doesn't come close to Ottke's

    HaHa...so far Mirandas doesn't either...
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