The beginning of a new age in Heavyweight Boxing

[Kirkland Laing]

...you know people talked shit about Lennox Lewis losing to McCall and Rahman

People talked about Joe Louis losing to Schmelling



There is no need for Wlad to avenge the loss to Sanders until it is a HUGE money making fight and I believe he will and he'll beat the shit out of Sanders.

Corey swung for the fences because he knew he was either going to catch Wlad or Wlad was going to catch him....if Wlad stayed calm and boxed while Sanders was swinging like a wild man then Sanders would have run out of steam and Wlad would have implimented his strategy.

Lewis and Louis got back in the ring with guys who had beaten them and beat them.

Klitschko got KO'd in a round and humiliated by the tomato can Sanders and refused to get in the ring with him again.

[El Kabong]

Lewis and Louis got back in the ring with guys who had beaten them and beat them.

Klitschko got KO'd in a round and humiliated by the tomato can Sanders and refused to get in the ring with him again.

...and Wladimir hasn't "refused to fight Sanders again" where do you get that from?

Their match up just hasn't made sense because Sanders hasn't done anything since then.


Would you like Wlad to fight Ross Purrity and maybe some people he lost to in the amatuers?

[Wayne]

Lewis and Louis got back in the ring with guys who had beaten them and beat them.

Klitschko got KO'd in a round and humiliated by the tomato can Sanders and refused to get in the ring with him again.

Did you seriously just come onto this thread to write how you don't care about this thread?

Oh, and you're forgetting Lamon Brewster, but I guess that would just erode your argument. If I'm not mistaken, Corey Sanders showed up at a slovenly 235 more than a year later when he fought Vitali (yes, I looked it up) and since then has been a hodgepodge of inactivity against nobodies until getting KO'd earlier this month. Exactly WHEN was Wlad supposed to fight him considering since that particular loss he took 2 tune-ups before challenging Lamon Brewster for the vacant WBO, then two tune-ups before challenging and beating Sam Peter for the IBF and since then collected the IBO belt Sanders wasn't in contention for, then 2 number 1 contenders then avenging his loss to a deserving, albeit tentative, Lamon Brewster and now about to fight another champion? When is that, hm?

That's the one thing I find most annoying about sports critics, boxing ones in particular. They become fixed on an argument to the point of irrational and childish name-calling and no amount of LOGIC will dissuade them from it.

~I drink your milkshake. Oh yeah, that's going in the siggy.

[Kirkland Laing]

Did you seriously just come onto this thread to write how you don't care about this thread?

Oh, and you're forgetting Lamon Brewster, but I guess that would just erode your argument. If I'm not mistaken, Corey Sanders showed up at a slovenly 235 more than a year later when he fought Vitali (yes, I looked it up) and since then has been a hodgepodge of inactivity against nobodies until getting KO'd earlier this month. Exactly WHEN was Wlad supposed to fight him considering since that particular loss he took 2 tune-ups before challenging Lamon Brewster for the vacant WBO, then two tune-ups before challenging and beating Sam Peter for the IBF and since then collected the IBO belt Sanders wasn't in contention for, then 2 number 1 contenders then avenging his loss to a deserving, albeit tentative, Lamon Brewster and now about to fight another champion? When is that, hm?

That's the one thing I find most annoying about sports critics, boxing ones in particular. They become fixed on an argument to the point of irrational and childish name-calling and no amount of LOGIC will dissuade them from it.

~I drink your milkshake. Oh yeah, that's going in the siggy.

I'm posting in this thread because I can't believe there are so many people who take the current hevyweight division seriously.

Klitschko would certainly have had an immediate rematch clause in his contract to fight Sanders the first time. Any boxer worth his salt, never mind one with pretentions to be a world champion would have got in the ring with him as soon as possible. Instead Vlad got his brother to fight him. The current top-rated heavyweight in the world got KO'd in a round by a journeyman and didn't have the balls to get back in the ring with him. That's the heavyweight division in a nutshell.

[Wayne]

I'm posting in this thread because I can't believe there are so many people who take the current hevyweight division seriously.

Klitschko would certainly have had an immediate rematch clause in his contract to fight Sanders the first time. Any boxer worth his salt, never mind one with pretentions to be a world champion would have got in the ring with him as soon as possible. Instead Vlad got his brother to fight him. The current top-rated heavyweight in the world got KO'd in a round by a journeyman and didn't have the balls to get back in the ring with him. That's the heavyweight division in a nutshell.

Can a guy who was 38-2 really be described as a journeyman? What, because he's fought all over the world and has a couple losses? That would make a great deal of fighters journeyman who many would not describe as such. I would have described a journeyman as a veteran fighter who, win or lose, fights just about anywhere, anytime and is a place filler of an opponent for the guy everyone really came to see. I would expect a lower KO ratio and several more losses to have considered Sanders that. He was a competent, straight punching giant killer and he caught Klitschko right as he was hitting his 'rockstar status', meaning he was more interested in showing off to the fans than concentrating on a very viable opponent. Maybe Klitschko thought he was a journeyman, but anyone who had actually looked at his record would have thought better.

[Wayne]

I don't think Klitschko-Ibragimov is the beginning of the new age in the division. If Ibragimov acquits himself well or manages to win is one thing- maybe that will be the ushering in of the superior, smaller heavyweight as Brewster thought was coming, but to find the new age one has only to look at the fighters waiting in the wings who will make for exciting fights in the next ten years or so. Sam Peter isn't even 30 years old and has been steadily improving, despite a rough road to victory against McCline. Alexander Povetkin showed what heart looks like, out-hustling the slick Eddie Chambers. David Haye may move up any minute and Klitschko himself is only 31. Heavyweights don't reach their prime until their mid to late 30s. I see him reigning as king of the division for at least the next five years until one of these upstarts has the guts to come after him. In that space of time he should be able to collect Chagaev and Peter's belts. Peter-Klitschko II will be a definite FOTY candidate, whatever year it happens in.

[Kirkland Laing]

Can a guy who was 38-2 really be described as a journeyman? What, because he's fought all over the world and has a couple losses? That would make a great deal of fighters journeyman who many would not describe as such. I would have described a journeyman as a veteran fighter who, win or lose, fights just about anywhere, anytime and is a place filler of an opponent for the guy everyone really came to see. I would expect a lower KO ratio and several more losses to have considered Sanders that. He was a competent, straight punching giant killer and he caught Klitschko right as he was hitting his 'rockstar status', meaning he was more interested in showing off to the fans than concentrating on a very viable opponent. Maybe Klitschko thought he was a journeyman, but anyone who had actually looked at his record would have thought better.

Yes, Corrie Sanders was a force to be feared in the heavyweight division, which was why he flew all the way to Germany to be the opponent against the name fighter in a country where you need a knock out to get a draw.

[Wayne]

Yes, Corrie Sanders was a force to be feared in the heavyweight division, which was why he flew all the way to Germany to be the opponent against the name fighter in a country where you need a knock out to get a draw.

Two words: Steve Cunningham. It's called confidence. Yes, he flew all the way to Germany, knowing full well Klitschko would be the favorite to win since he signed the contract and guess what? He won by KO. Guess how many other people had done that to him in over 40 fights- 1.

[Wayne]

Oh, sorry. I guess Steve Cunningham is just a journeyman.