The beginning of a new age in Heavyweight Boxing

[El Kabong]

I've only seen highlights of his last two fights so am no expert, it's just that he seems to be a guy who's regularly written of by "experts" and the guys here but he wins. I've just noticed that about Sultan. I would think too that Klitschko should KO him but Sultan seems to be a shifty bugger to fight so you never know.

Well Sultan was one of those guys people were hot on as some kind of power punching KO artist similar to Mike Tyson and he hasn't lived up to it.

Sultan is good in some fights....Lance Whittaker

But he's EXTREMELY disappointing in other fights: Ray Austin, Shannon Briggs, Evander Holyfield.


And the way I see it, Sultan just isn't good enough at this stage in his career to beat Wladimir without getting REALLY REALLY lucky

[bikersk]

Well Sultan was one of those guys people were hot on as some kind of power punching KO artist similar to Mike Tyson and he hasn't lived up to it.

Sultan is good in some fights....Lance Whittaker

But he's EXTREMELY disappointing in other fights: Ray Austin, Shannon Briggs, Evander Holyfield.


And the way I see it, Sultan just isn't good enough at this stage in his career to beat Wladimir without getting REALLY REALLY lucky

Yeah ok. That's interesting because my impression of him is as a boxer who likes a points win. You know - i had the misfortune of seeing the Briggs fight. That was woeful.

[Spicoli]

Ya know,Just my Opine but Sanders was not just a soft body with at times a chinny chin..............On the right night and in top shape he had the handspeed and one punch power to hurt ALOT of Heavy's.

[El Kabong]

I see that more recently but when Sultan first popped on the scene everyone thought he was a combination throwing power puncher.

If he tries to outbox Wladimir I think he might want to consult Chris Byrd on defensive strategies to use vs Wlad. If Byrd can't do it (in 2 fights) then I highly doubt Sultan can do it.


There are 2 ways that you beat Wladimir
#1 You throw often, hard, and hit the target....1 guy did that Corey Sanders

#2 You take plenty of punishment and Wlad gets tired....2 guys did that Purrity and Brewster

Other than that no one has had much success vs Wladimir

[bikersk]

I see that more recently but when Sultan first popped on the scene everyone thought he was a combination throwing power puncher.

If he tries to outbox Wladimir I think he might want to consult Chris Byrd on defensive strategies to use vs Wlad. If Byrd can't do it (in 2 fights) then I highly doubt Sultan can do it.


There are 2 ways that you beat Wladimir
#1 You throw often, hard, and hit the target....1 guy did that Corey Sanders

#2 You take plenty of punishment and Wlad gets tired....2 guys did that Purrity and Brewster

Other than that no one has had much success vs Wladimir

Well my impression has been that for Sultan to win he would be needing to use the second option you described. It would be a big ask to take punishment from Wlad because his accuracy and power will be hard to withstand I bet. Almost a "Rumble in the jungle" style of fight. Not that i'm comparing the fighters (settle down everyone) just the style/strategy needed when fighting the bigger guy. He could try the rope a dope or whatever it was called. Catch a tired Wlad with some powerful combo's late in the fight and who knows.................

Would be good odds anyway.

[El Kabong]

Well my impression has been that for Sultan to win he would be needing to use the second option you described. It would be a big ask to take punishment from Wlad because his accuracy and power will be hard to withstand I bet. Almost a "Rumble in the jungle" style of fight. Not that i'm comparing the fighters (settle down everyone) just the style/strategy needed when fighting the bigger guy. He could try the rope a dope or whatever it was called. Catch a tired Wlad with some powerful combo's late in the fight and who knows.................
Would be good odds anyway.

As Joe Louis said "You can run but you can't hide"

There is only so far Sultan get get away from Wladimir...and I just can't see him staying away and being effective OR tiring out Wlad.

IMO Sultan's best option is to go for broke and hope he can jump on him early and connect. Sultan is a southpaw and maybe Wlad just doesn't handle southpaws well...Sanders was a southpaw but he had 1 punch power and a really solid chin...I don't know if Sultan has those but because he is able to land wild bombs (like he did on Austin) then it's something to think about.

Wladimir isn't great now....but he can still be great.

[The Rookie Fan]

Well I'm glad I started a good debate even though it had been more...what's the word I'm looking for...colorful?, than I had in mind.

Anyways I think some of you might be missing my point. It is not that Wladamir Klitchko is the future and he is the greatest. Wlad is the present and at present the heavyweight division sucks. And there is no getting around that fact. Wlad might be a good fighter but the division still sucks.

However, I think a large part of what is wrong with the division, more than not having an american champion, is the fact that there has not been a true Heavyweight Champion since Lennox Lewis. After this fight there will be. And it will be a new beginning.

I don't know who the future of the division is, but I do know we are one step closer to finding out.

[boozeboxer]

So you are comparing the best era in HW boxing ever in an effort to say that Wlad is rubbish. That isn't logical Kirkland.

You will have to admit that Wlad is no slouch. In almost any but the very best eras in hw boxing he would be a contender. Because he is in a very weak division today is not an overwhelming argument for how poor he is.

He has an awesome jab and great power and uses his height very well. I don't know how you can flaw the man as being a joke to be honest. Granted he may not be the best ever, but he is a very solid worthy HW any way you cut it.

[Kirkland Laing]

So you are comparing the best era in HW boxing ever in an effort to say that Wlad is rubbish. That isn't logical Kirkland.

You will have to admit that Wlad is no slouch. In almost any but the very best eras in hw boxing he would be a contender. Because he is in a very weak division today is not an overwhelming argument for how poor he is.

He has an awesome jab and great power and uses his height very well. I don't know how you can flaw the man as being a joke to be honest. Granted he may not be the best ever, but he is a very solid worthy HW any way you cut it.

He got knocked out in a round by a tomato can and wouldn't get back in the ring with him. The argument over this guy begins and ends there.

[El Kabong]

He got knocked out in a round by a tomato can and wouldn't get back in the ring with him. The argument over this guy begins and ends there.

And YOUR favorite fighter's only big win was a SPLIT DECISION and he lost 12 fights....8 by stoppage


So get off Wladimir's case...he's a good ALL-TIME heavyweight and he has the years left in him to become great...maybe not top 10 but he could break in a solid top 15

[Kirkland Laing]

And YOUR favorite fighter's only big win was a SPLIT DECISION and he lost 12 fights....8 by stoppage


So get off Wladimir's case...he's a good ALL-TIME heavyweight and he has the years left in him to become great...maybe not top 10 but he could break in a solid top 15

I'm not claiming that Kirkland laing was an all-time top 15 fighter, ot the dawn of a new age in the welterweight division.

Klitschko is never ever going to be ranked in the top heavyweights.

[Spicoli]

I don't know who Terry Nutkins is.

I'm a boxing fan and am expressing my legitimate and widely-held opinion that the heavyweight division is rubbish right now, exemplified by the fact that the guy considered the best heavyweight is a joke who wouldn't be more than a sparring partner for any of the top heavyweights in the seventies and others since.

This isn't the beginning of a new age for heavyweights, just the continuation of a shit one.

Im not big on overrating Size but His Pure size factor in company with a wicked power jab alone would make Wlad a danger In any Era. Many A top heavy have been tagged up on the chin throughout the years.

So Its a shit era.......Hey to a limited point I agree, but at least there sorting this s!!! out by fighting one another. No points off for effort right ?

[SweetPea]

Wlad has a longggggggggg way to go to prove that he is a great heavyweight. However, I don't think there's any doubt that he is the best heavyweight out there right now, and he is deserving, in my opinion, of being recognized as the heavyweight champ.