Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

[GAME]

I see like always already making excuses. Anti pac is back, last time i check jmm didn't win the fight so how can you say pac couldn't beat him if neither went home with the win. If you look at each fighter after the fight, look at jmm....he looks like he suffered two strokes a few concussion and severe nerve damages. Since then who has been less defensive and has been caught way too many for a so called master boxer from lesser southpaws. Honest to god, JMM ain't been the same since that fight. Pac hasn't been in a close fight since the morales rematch and jmm was just in one against mab who pac easily beat barely trying. Yea if you think pac didn't look good why couldn't your great marco come close to beating him like he nearly beat jmm and even dropped him. What arguement do you really have other then your bias oppinion? Since when does a fighter performace poorly when he lands over 50% at a fight and easily cruise to a u.d? FAns like you are just use to seeing pac knock out his oppenent and anything less then that is a poor performance.

Pac couldnt beat Marquez so therefore I am entirely justified in the statement I made. As for lining up the excuses , its fact that Marquez is past it . 10 years ago he'd be in his pysical prime but now just like with Barrera and Morales , Pac is willing to get it on but you dont see him calling out young hungry fighters like Diaz cuz guys like that would make mincemeat of Pac .

Still nobody has been clear with how strategically Pac can possibly beat Marquez. After what we saw in the last fight I dont think its realistic that he can expect victory . Im not not bothered about the fight and couldnt care less who wins but I know it'll be Marquez cuz he is sooooo much better than Pac .

[The Fightfan]

Alot of Pac-man fans I guess in here anyway.I just can't see what all or your have so called seen out of Pacman these last few outings.Being dropped dosen't mean a damn thing unless you stay down.Marquez got knocked down three times and got right back up.That shows one thing
HEART.Something that really hasn't been tested on Pacquiao do too his blazing fists.I am not putting Pac-man down I just don't know about his desire and determination in his last few.It seems he has a step or two where Marquez has looked excellent recently.If you point to Marquez being knocked down against Barrera I say look at the fight again and you can plainly see Barrera was never even in the fight.Were in the Pacquiao fight it wasn't until the championship rounds we seen who won.

Again the master counter-puncher Marquez in 10.

[OumaFan]

Alot of Pac-man fans I guess in here anyway.I just can't see what all or your have so called seen out of Pacman these last few outings.Being dropped dosen't mean a damn thing unless you stay down.Marquez got knocked down three times and got right back up.That shows one thing
HEART.Something that really hasn't been tested on Pacquiao do too his blazing fists.I am not putting Pac-man down I just don't know about his desire and determination in his last few.It seems he has a step or two where Marquez has looked excellent recently.If you point to Marquez being knocked down against Barrera I say look at the fight again and you can plainly see Barrera was never even in the fight.Were in the Pacquiao fight it wasn't until the championship rounds we seen who won.

Again the master counter-puncher Marquez in 10.

? I agree that Marquez clearly beat Barrera, didn't understand all the people who thought Barrera won but Pacquaio clearly handled Barrera, if anything easier than Marquez did. That fight was not won by Pacquaio in the championship rounds, he clearly won.

Anyway I'll go with Pac, he's improved more, added a right hand and bodywork to the guy who only threw right jabs and left hands against Marquez first time out. Marquez is still a great fighter but he's been getting hit more lately. Maybe that's only because he's been more offensive and he'll go back to a more defensive style against Pac but I'll still go with Pac.

[brucelee]

Alot of Pac-man fans I guess in here anyway.I just can't see what all or your have so called seen out of Pacman these last few outings.Being dropped dosen't mean a damn thing unless you stay down.Marquez got knocked down three times and got right back up.That shows one thing
HEART.Something that really hasn't been tested on Pacquiao do too his blazing fists.I am not putting Pac-man down I just don't know about his desire and determination in his last few.It seems he has a step or two where Marquez has looked excellent recently.If you point to Marquez being knocked down against Barrera I say look at the fight again and you can plainly see Barrera was never even in the fight.Were in the Pacquiao fight it wasn't until the championship rounds we seen who won.

Again the master counter-puncher Marquez in 10.

Pacquiao's heart not tested yet? Have you watched Pacquaio vs EM1? You will see Pacquaio's heart there despite the cut and the flowing blood from a headbutt.

Hayyy. Am I becoming a fanatic here again or some people just don't know what they are saying?

[p4pking]

Pacquaio has to have some of the most annoying fans in any sport. All I've seen in this thread is his nut huggers shoot down anyone who attempts to offer any reason that he won't dominate the fight.. I agree with Taeth on the original premise, that Pac did a lot better in the championship rounds than people tend to say he did.. It's not as though he caught him coming in cold and then after Marquez whethered the storm it was smooth sailing. However he did catch him him cold, it's not as if Marquez isn't capable of weathering Pacqiao's assault. If Marquez saves himself from early punishment and looks to fight smart there's no reason to think he can't win this fight. Saying Marquez is past his best is a pre-packaged excuse from the anti-Pac brigade huh? Or maybe if he isn't at his best, it's because Pac beat his prime right out of him. If he had just got some gel insoles for his shoes Marquez wouldn't even be fighting today, huh? Why the hell even bother to post when you aren't able to entertain another point of view... I haven't heard one of his fans on here break down the fight or explain why Pac will win, other than that he is now supposedly in his prime while Marquez is past his best. But if someone who isn't in love with Pac brings that up, it's an excuse? So lame.

[brucelee]

Pacquaio has to have some of the most annoying fans in any sport. All I've seen in this thread is his nut huggers shoot down anyone who attempts to offer any reason that he won't dominate the fight.. I agree with Taeth on the original premise, that Pac did a lot better in the championship rounds than people tend to say he did.. It's not as though he caught him coming in cold and then after Marquez whethered the storm it was smooth sailing. However he did catch him him cold, it's not as if Marquez isn't capable of weathering Pacqiao's assault. If Marquez saves himself from early punishment and looks to fight smart there's no reason to think he can't win this fight. Saying Marquez is past his best is a pre-packaged excuse from the anti-Pac brigade huh? Or maybe if he isn't at his best, it's because Pac beat his prime right out of him. If he had just got some gel insoles for his shoes Marquez wouldn't even be fighting today, huh? Why the hell even bother to post when you aren't able to entertain another point of view... I haven't heard one of his fans on here break down the fight or explain why Pac will win, other than that he is now supposedly in his prime while Marquez is past his best. But if someone who isn't in love with Pac brings that up, it's an excuse? So lame.

hahaha. try to read the post of those who said that MArquez is past his best.It's GAME saying that and all other pac-haters. Truth is, we were entertaining the point of view of members here who talks with sense but there are just some people who hates Pacquaio and can't listen to reason and explanation....... they are those who claim that we don't explain why Pac would win.

Anyway, as a responsible poster in this forum, I'd like to illuminate you the reasons why Pac will win.

1. Pac has greatly improved. From a one-dimensional fighter, he is becoming all around. Watch how he fought MAB. Do I need to explain that had MAB engaged in an all-out duel with PAcquaio, he would have been KOed early.

2. Pacquiao is faster and stronger than JMM. It's obvious. No need to explain.

3. Pacquaio like Marquez has a big heart.No question about his courage.

4. Regarding skills, he has just won over MAB who was considered to be very skillful.I would rather say, won easily over a very skilled fighter. As you know, skills don't easily get old.


Do I need to add more?

[Addicted to_boxing]

hahaha. try to read the post of those who said that MArquez is past his best.It's GAME saying that and all other pac-haters. Truth is, we were entertaining the point of view of members here who talks with sense but there are just some people who hates Pacquaio and can't listen to reason and explanation....... they are those who claim that we don't explain why Pac would win.

Anyway, as a responsible poster in this forum, I'd like to illuminate you the reasons why Pac will win.

1. Pac has greatly improved. From a one-dimensional fighter, he is becoming all around. Watch how he fought MAB. Do I need to explain that had MAB engaged in an all-out duel with PAcquaio, he would have been KOed early.

2. Pacquiao is faster and stronger than JMM. It's obvious. No need to explain.

3. Pacquaio like Marquez has a big heart.No question about his courage.

4. Regarding skills, he has just won over MAB who was considered to be very skillful.I would rather say, won easily over a very skilled fighter. As you know, skills don't easily get old.


Do I need to add more?

Nice post Bruce I agree with all but line 1. Pac was not inspired to fight because MAB gave no effort. There was no boxing domination there was a Bull Dog vs a pussy (MAB) MAB was a disgrace and I think Pac let him ride off upright. But boxing domination, sorry no can do!

[brucelee]

Nice post Bruce I agree with all but line 1. Pac was not inspired to fight because MAB gave no effort. There was no boxing domination there was a Bull Dog vs a pussy (MAB) MAB was a disgrace and I think Pac let him ride off upright. But boxing domination, sorry no can do!

MAB may have been pussy (in your point of view) but if you ask me, he just fought an intelligent fight.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Pacquiao's heart not tested yet? Have you watched Pacquaio vs EM1? You will see Pacquaio's heart there despite the cut and the flowing blood from a headbutt.

Hayyy. Am I becoming a fanatic here again or some people just don't know what they are saying?

Gee talk about Disneyland (Fantasyland) like fanatics, the EM1 fight was a tough fight but PAC was never in severe danger of being Ko'd. In addition EM was never a power puncher. The head but was also not that severe dreamer. Pac started too late or he would have won that fight too ... Learn the definition of not having ones' heart tested vs tough. Heart tested perfect example see the Pac vs JMM fight. When has Pac had to get up off the canvas, had face brutalized or found himself too far behind on the scorecards and rallied to pull out a fight?


Bruce Bruce Bruce so smart yet so blindly in Love (with Pac)

[brucelee]

Gee talk about Disneyland (Fantasyland) like fanatics, the EM1 fight was a tough fight but PAC was never in severe danger of being Ko'd. In addition EM was never a power puncher. The head but was also not that severe dreamer. Pac started too late or he would have won that fight too ... Learn the definition of not having ones' heart tested vs tough. Heart tested perfect example see the Pac vs JMM fight. When has Pac had to get up off the canvas, had face brutalized or found himself too far behind on the scorecards and rallied to pull out a fight?


Bruce Bruce Bruce so smart yet so blindly in Love (with Pac)

EM may not be that big puncher but I'm sure he can knock down opponents like David Diaz even past his prime.

Headbutt not severe dreamer? what do you mean by that? AS far as I know (coz I have watched the fight), the cut was so bad that PAcquaio had to bathe in blood all throughout the fight. Watch again their fight.

Learn the definition of not having ones' heart tested vs tough. Heart tested perfect example see the Pac vs JMM fight. When has Pac had to get up off the canvas, had face brutalized or found himself too far behind on the scorecards and rallied to pull out a fight?

So that's your definition of heart?I could accept that.But.......

I'll give you a description (not definition)of having a heart......It's fighting all the way although you know that you may not be able to win that fight. Fighting with only one eye while the other eye is blinded by blood because of a very nasty cut.After that very painful defeat, fighting again that guy(Morales) to win a very convincing KO. That's how I describe having a heart.

Now you should know that I have my reasons to be in love with Pacquaio.....


Too bad you don't have......










I suggest you watch the fight.

[Addicted to_boxing]

EM may not be that big puncher but I'm sure he can knock down opponents like David Diaz even past his prime.

Headbutt not severe dreamer? what do you mean by that? AS far as I know (coz I have watched the fight), the cut was so bad that PAcquaio had to bathe in blood all throughout the fight. Watch again their fight.

Learn the definition of not having ones' heart tested vs tough. Heart tested perfect example see the Pac vs JMM fight. When has Pac had to get up off the canvas, had face brutalized or found himself too far behind on the scorecards and rallied to pull out a fight?

So that's your definition of heart?I could accept that.But.......

I'll give you a description (not definition)of having a heart......It's fighting all the way although you know that you may not be able to win that fight. Fighting with only one eye while the other eye is blinded by blood because of a very nasty cut.After that very painful defeat, fighting again that guy(Morales) to win a very convincing KO. That's how I describe having a heart.

Now you should know that I have my reasons to be in love with Pacquaio.....


Too bad you don't have......










I suggest you watch the fight.

I have



I'll buy that to a point. However injury takes on a completely different meaning when the damage you have received is not inflicted by your opponents fistic ability. Pacs power advantage and endorphins willed him on. Mentaly you know you just need to find the right moment when you know you out gun your opponent . As opposed to knowing or feeling what Pacs opponents have had to feel ---- "'FEAR'" !! Hardly ranks as a huge test of adversity to most.

I do not love or dislike Pac as my wife is Pinay..........

[brucelee]

I have



I'll buy that to a point. However injury takes on a completely different meaning when the damage you have received is not inflicted by your opponents fistic ability. Pacs power advantage and endorphins willed him on. Mentaly you know you just need to find the right moment when you know you out gun your opponent . As opposed to knowing or feeling what Pacs opponents have had to feel ---- "'FEAR'" !! Hardly ranks as a huge test of adversity to most.

I do not love or dislike Pac as my wife is Pinay..........

You don't know how Pac felt during that time. With your eyes closing because of a cut, would you also not feel some fear knowing you have no chance of winning coz you're fighting a very skilled boxer?

nah, this discussion is going nowhere.

as to your accusations, let me remind you of one accusation( among the many accusations) you made.

What you say has not merit as to what happens in the ring. In two weeks I will not be foolish waiting 4 years for a man to age is great strategy on PAC teams behalf. JMM is really good but many PAC fans have already mention how slow and flt footed JMM has looked recently. So Kudos to the Geriatric Assassin. Bring on Soto, Juan Diaz and Guman and lower the age requirements. Pac should win this fight, I just anxious to see if JMM can muster up one last effort. More interested in A Pac vs Baby Bull match or a sibling revenge fight with Soto. Not a circus match against a UK midget with little over rated skills.

[pacfan]

Bruce and Addicted to ..., can't believe you guys engaging in such a serious debate. If there still were those cc's I'd given you guyz each. I'm not much that serious here, just fooling around most of the time - trying to scare off some kids here with some of my 'bluffings' and having a hearty laff after that, haha. Well anywayz, my hats off for the two of you, and I'll also include Game here, for your intense passion when you guys discuss boxing. You guyz put the Clintons and Obama to shame.

[The Fightfan]

Pacquiao's heart not tested yet? Have you watched Pacquaio vs EM1? You will see Pacquaio's heart there despite the cut and the flowing blood from a headbutt.

Hayyy. Am I becoming a fanatic here again or some people just don't know what they are saying?

Well Pac-man after the first Morales fight did show some heart but not much he really did go for he kill what he is good for.He was happy to try and box Morales.It's seems when someone gives him a bit of trouble he is happy with trying to box and not for the kill.Another thing I don't like is his attitude when he lost to Morales he moreso than Roach complained about "how the boxing gloves were not gloves but pillows" all I can say is WAH!! . At the end of the Marquez fight he complained about "foot blisters"and how it hampered his movement.All I can say is look at Holmes vs Cooney.Larry Holmes had nothing but blood in his shoes from blisters and still got a big victory probably his biggest and heart.Can we say that from what we've seen from Pacquiao.I am not putting Pac-man down I like him but when tested I've found his heart isn't were it should be.

[mickeyluvsu]

i think that the first match between them could have gone either way(coin toss).PAC came out very strong and continued even though he was adjusting himself as well as JMM after the first round.

This match it gonna be great. PAC is gonna show what he is capable of. He's gonna look at the video tape and see open areas which he can exploit and use to his advantage. PAC is too agile too fast and he never drops momentum whether he is getting hit or not. He always stays active which i think it's gonna be too much for JMM to handle. Maybe JMM should of taken the rematch right after the first one but he took too long and his time is up. JMM will put up a fight because he is great with his counter punches also he is going to look at video tapes and see how to adjust himself but i still believe PAC is going to be too fast for him.



PAC wins unanimous dicision.................IMO!