This word... BUM... IT'S GARBAGE!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Are you a bum if you are a no show on Friday night fights when everyone was expecting you?

No, but you are a selfish piece of shit who has dillusions of grandure

[Shamrock]

No, but you are a selfish piece of shit who has dillusions of grandure

So.... is that worse than being a bum or not....

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

So.... is that worse than being a bum or not....

NOPE Now I'm talking about him as a person

[The Boxer]

what go is boxing forum if you can't call a guy a bum. toughen up. you don't have to agree with who i call a bum but don't diss the word all together.

[No Contest]

I wouldn't call Hopkins a bum, nor would I call Duddy a bum. I would call Duddy garbage, however. I wouldn't even compare him to Gatti in terms of excitement. At least Gatti fought some of the best out there. Duddy hasn't fought anybody out there and he is getting pounded. When he fights one of the top tens in his weight class, he will get obliterated.

Take a look at Gatti's record at 24 fight , he fought way worse opposition than Duddy, at this point Duddy's on pace. Yory Boy and Eastman aren't great at this point but better than Gatti's opposition. If he doesnt eventually fight some high ranked guys then you can say that, until then your off base.

[match]

John Ruiz is a bum. This is just a fact of life.

[donnydarkoIRL]

John Ruiz is a former Heavyweight champion of the world and although his style is far from admirable and he may be one oof the least popular champions ever, he was a representitive of the world of boxing and to belittle him is to belittle boxing.

[match]

Correction: Lennox Lewis was the heavyweight champion of the world. John Ruiz was a belt holder. To label him anything else is to insult the intellegence of all boxing fans.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Correction: Lennox Lewis was the heavyweight champion of the world. John Ruiz was a belt holder. To label him anything else is to insult the intellegence of all boxing fans.

The fact that we WANT one unified champion unfortunately doesn't change the fact that Lewis was not the only champion at the time.


If you take note of the Middleweight division now, We have two World Champions (Abraham and Pavlik) who have legitimate claims at being Champ. (I have discluded Sturm as he has been inconsistent)
The same for the curent Cruiser weight division, Although Haye is the unified Champion, Maccarenelli does have a claim at the World title too.

[match]

What we WANT is irrelevant. The fact is people possess a trait known as 'common sense.' Common sense is what illuminates the fact that there are champions, and there are belt holders. John Ruiz was a belt holder. Accept it and move on.

[donnydarkoIRL]

What we WANT is irrelevant. The fact is people possess a trait known as 'common sense.' Common sense is what illuminates the fact that there are champions, and there are belt holders. John Ruiz was a belt holder. Accept it and move on.

By your logic "Belt Holders" such as Joe Calzaghe, Floyd Maywether and Oscar De la Hoya were not World Champions.

[match]

Maybe you can educate me. What belt does Oscar de la Hoya hold?

Bye

[donnydarkoIRL]

Maybe you can educate me. What belt does Oscar de la Hoya hold?

Bye

Up until may 5th of last year he held the WBC Light Middleweight Championship....But he wasn't a world Champ because he never unified the belt. Thats your belief correct?

He won the WBC Welter title against JCC and defended it up until Oba Carr, but he wasn't a champion at all because he didn't unify. Thats what your logic Suggests right?

He won the Lightweight Strap against Jimmy Breadahl, but he wasn't real champ then because he didn't unify until he fought Rafael Ruelas right?

[match]

I guess you didn't read my post. I said people possess a trait known as 'common sense.' Common sense tells you that you shouldn't have to have someone else tell you who the best fighter in a division is. Common sense is what pointed out to people that Floyd Mayweather was the best at 140 and not Ricky Hatton, even though Hatton beat Tzsyu.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I guess you didn't read my post. I said people possess a trait known as 'common sense.' Common sense tells you that you shouldn't have to have someone else tell you who the best fighter in a division is. Common sense is what pointed out to people that Floyd Mayweather was the best at 140 and not Ricky Hatton, even though Hatton beat Tzsyu.

Actually the common consensus is represented by the Ring Magazine's ratings.
This system is held in high regard by all and is generally accepted as the best system available to us and they had Ricky Hatton as their Champion upon his upset victory over Kostya Tszyu. Not Mayweather. You will find few to agree with you there.

Without a formal ranking system boxing would descend into an even more blurry mess with more fighters claiming that they are the champion and various sects of fans inclined to believe them. This disuades the use of "common sense."