David Haye v Enzo Maccarinelli - Cruiserweight Title Unification RBR

[DaxxKahn]

I still don't see Haye making it to the top of the HW division....

[leftylee]

I still don't see Haye making it to the top of the HW division....

I completely disagree, IMO Haye is going to storm the heavywights and remember Haye is a NATURAL heavyweight so he will be hitting harder than he hit Enzo last night and Sam Peter, Wlad Klitchsko... will not be able to cope with his power at all.

[Mikkel_K]

I completely disagree, IMO Haye is going to storm the heavywights and remember Haye is a NATURAL heavyweight so he will be hitting harder than he hit Enzo last night and Sam Peter, Wlad Klitchsko... will not be able to cope with his power at all.

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Wlad, Peter or Valuev are natural heavyweights - and by no means could they be fighting at other weights. Haye's best weight is probably somewhere between 200 and 210, and while he might have to lose weight to make it, he obviously has the choice of fighting at cruiserweight.

And the fact that he needs to lose weight is not different from most boxers - hell even Hatton has to train to make 140, but we aren't exactly calling him a natural welterweight are we? This is not to say that Haye will not fare well - or be a better fighter for that matter - at HV...

[leftylee]

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Wlad, Peter or Valuev are natural heavyweights - and by no means could they be fighting at other weights. Haye's best weight is probably somewhere between 200 and 210, and while he might have to lose weight to make it, he obviously has the choice of fighting at cruiserweight.

And the fact that he needs to lose weight is not different from most boxers - hell even Hatton has to train to make 140, but we aren't exactly calling him a natural welterweight are we? This is not to say that Haye will not fare well - or be a better fighter for that matter - at HV...

Haye was the one who said he was a natural heavyweight, I never came to that assumption it's a fact.

Once he moves to heavy he won't be able to make cruiser again, another FACT by what his trainer Adam Booth said.

[CutMeMick]

GO ON! DAY-VED!

[CutMeMick]

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he fight as a HW in the ams?
So in part yes he is considered at natureal HW.

[Mikkel_K]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he fight as a HW in the ams?
So in part yes he is considered at natureal HW.

Well, he won a Heavyweight silver medal at the amateur world championship at least (lost to Odlanier Solis in the final - good fight people should see it), and I guess most of his then opponents have fought their pro career at heavyweight. Sultan Ibragimov won the bronze medal at the same weight, same championships for example.

However, you should remember that he weight limit there is 91 kilo, which roughly equals 200 pounds. Which in the pro-ranks is the Cruiser-limit of course. The amatuers have Super-Heavyweight above that weight, the pro's have Heavyweight.

Also, if Haye should have fought one weight below, he should be under something like 178 pounds. No way he cold ever do that (at least not now).

[Bomp]

As a guy who picked (and bet on ) Enzo just want to give my probs to Haye. He did what he said he would.

Enzo fought frightened IMO, he was fidgety to every faint Haye made and was way too respectful of his power, which caused him to do the last thing he should do against a hitter and stand in front of him doing nothing.

Don't want to take anything away from Haye though, even if Enzo had employed a better strategy it would have only delayed the inevitable (as well as give the fans a bit more entertainment), even in the little we saw his composure and timing was very impressive. As for heavyweight, I still think Fragomeni layed the blueprint to beat him, a guy who can take his blows and keep on coming will be able to beat him, as well as the obvious guys with montrous power themselves and the reach to deliver it (Wlad). But Haye certainly has the skills to beat many of them, and in entertaining fashion.

[Fenster]

As a guy who picked (and bet on ) Enzo just want to give my probs to Haye. He did what he said he would.

Enzo fought frightened IMO, he was fidgety to every faint Haye made and was way too respectful of his power, which caused him to do the last thing he should do against a hitter and stand in front of him doing nothing.

Don't want to take anything away from Haye though, even if Enzo had employed a better strategy it would have only delayed the inevitable (as well as give the fans a bit more entertainment), even in the little we saw his composure and timing was very impressive. As for heavyweight, I still think Fragomeni layed the blueprint to beat him, a guy who can take his blows and keep on coming will be able to beat him, as well as the obvious guys with montrous power themselves and the reach to deliver it (Wlad). But Haye certainly has the skills to beat many of them, and in entertaining fashion.

Unlucky Bomp

I said it was a crazy fight to bet on.. although I meant crazy to bet on Enzo.. personally I cleaned up on the Haye KO rds 1-3

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News Flash:

Former champion Jose Luis Castillo (56-8-1, 48KOs) quietly returned to the ring for the first time since being stopped by Ricky Hatton in June, and picked up a sixth-round TKO win over Adan Casillas (20-7, 15KOs) at Palenque del FEX in Mexico.

I don't have any links. I just heard it. Maybe it's bullsh1t.

[Tam Seddon]

That castillo fight happend ages ago bro!

But i was impressed with Haye I thought his best chance was to get Enzo out early and he did that and very well done to him. I think Enzo just got caught with a very good shot and the power of Haye is awesome. I would have hoped it could have lasted a bit longer but thats boxing for you isnt it.

Haye will move up now and should get himself to america and get himself an even bigger name. The Hasim Rahman fight still sounds very appealing to me, or a guy with a name like Hasim is what I believe Haye should be aiming for.

Enzo should get a few wins in and try and get one of his old belts back, he still has amazing potential to be a champion and I think he could easily beat most of the challengers out there.