David Haye v Enzo Maccarinelli - Cruiserweight Title Unification RBR

[Mikkel_K]

I completely disagree, IMO Haye is going to storm the heavywights and remember Haye is a NATURAL heavyweight so he will be hitting harder than he hit Enzo last night and Sam Peter, Wlad Klitchsko... will not be able to cope with his power at all.

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Wlad, Peter or Valuev are natural heavyweights - and by no means could they be fighting at other weights. Haye's best weight is probably somewhere between 200 and 210, and while he might have to lose weight to make it, he obviously has the choice of fighting at cruiserweight.

And the fact that he needs to lose weight is not different from most boxers - hell even Hatton has to train to make 140, but we aren't exactly calling him a natural welterweight are we? This is not to say that Haye will not fare well - or be a better fighter for that matter - at HV...

[leftylee]

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Wlad, Peter or Valuev are natural heavyweights - and by no means could they be fighting at other weights. Haye's best weight is probably somewhere between 200 and 210, and while he might have to lose weight to make it, he obviously has the choice of fighting at cruiserweight.

And the fact that he needs to lose weight is not different from most boxers - hell even Hatton has to train to make 140, but we aren't exactly calling him a natural welterweight are we? This is not to say that Haye will not fare well - or be a better fighter for that matter - at HV...

Haye was the one who said he was a natural heavyweight, I never came to that assumption it's a fact.

Once he moves to heavy he won't be able to make cruiser again, another FACT by what his trainer Adam Booth said.

[CutMeMick]

GO ON! DAY-VED!

[CutMeMick]

Just curious why you consider Haye a NATURAL heavyweight? He has fight his whole career - bar one fight - at Cruiserweight, and he didn't exactly come off too weight drained to me yesterday either.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he fight as a HW in the ams?
So in part yes he is considered at natureal HW.

[Mikkel_K]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he fight as a HW in the ams?
So in part yes he is considered at natureal HW.

Well, he won a Heavyweight silver medal at the amateur world championship at least (lost to Odlanier Solis in the final - good fight people should see it), and I guess most of his then opponents have fought their pro career at heavyweight. Sultan Ibragimov won the bronze medal at the same weight, same championships for example.

However, you should remember that he weight limit there is 91 kilo, which roughly equals 200 pounds. Which in the pro-ranks is the Cruiser-limit of course. The amatuers have Super-Heavyweight above that weight, the pro's have Heavyweight.

Also, if Haye should have fought one weight below, he should be under something like 178 pounds. No way he cold ever do that (at least not now).

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As a guy who picked (and bet on ) Enzo just want to give my probs to Haye. He did what he said he would.

Enzo fought frightened IMO, he was fidgety to every faint Haye made and was way too respectful of his power, which caused him to do the last thing he should do against a hitter and stand in front of him doing nothing.

Don't want to take anything away from Haye though, even if Enzo had employed a better strategy it would have only delayed the inevitable (as well as give the fans a bit more entertainment), even in the little we saw his composure and timing was very impressive. As for heavyweight, I still think Fragomeni layed the blueprint to beat him, a guy who can take his blows and keep on coming will be able to beat him, as well as the obvious guys with montrous power themselves and the reach to deliver it (Wlad). But Haye certainly has the skills to beat many of them, and in entertaining fashion.

[Fenster]

As a guy who picked (and bet on ) Enzo just want to give my probs to Haye. He did what he said he would.

Enzo fought frightened IMO, he was fidgety to every faint Haye made and was way too respectful of his power, which caused him to do the last thing he should do against a hitter and stand in front of him doing nothing.

Don't want to take anything away from Haye though, even if Enzo had employed a better strategy it would have only delayed the inevitable (as well as give the fans a bit more entertainment), even in the little we saw his composure and timing was very impressive. As for heavyweight, I still think Fragomeni layed the blueprint to beat him, a guy who can take his blows and keep on coming will be able to beat him, as well as the obvious guys with montrous power themselves and the reach to deliver it (Wlad). But Haye certainly has the skills to beat many of them, and in entertaining fashion.

Unlucky Bomp

I said it was a crazy fight to bet on.. although I meant crazy to bet on Enzo.. personally I cleaned up on the Haye KO rds 1-3

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Unlucky Bomp

I said it was a crazy fight to bet on.. although I meant crazy to bet on Enzo.. personally I cleaned up on the Haye KO rds 1-3

Hindsights a beautiful thing, I only lost 6 quid anyway, I'm a bit of a sissy better, but they were very good odds, now I know why.

[Tysonbruno]

Did any of you see Joe Calzaghe's face when Enzo was in corner as ref waved it off.