Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
Hate to burst your bubble but Diaz deserved p4p status and im owas right behind Casamayor in the lightweights if not in some way ahead. You have to remember he held every other belt then the one Casamayor holds and he beat the champions Julio Diaz and acelino freitas and he deserved it. He was almost as close to a unified champ that the lightweight division has had since Mayweather and he deserves credit. Just because you don't hold Julio Diaz or Freitas in the same standards as Mosley doesn't mean he didnt deserve his p4p status.

You can't compare it to Cotto because Diaz beat the champions WHEN they were champs. And you're trying to give Cotto credit for what his opponents did after he beat them(Malignaggi and Quintana) and what they did 7 years before him(Mosley) You can't question Diaz because he beat the champs when they were champs and in the priome of their career while it can be argued that Cotto's opponents prime came after he faced them(Malignaggi and Quintana) or had already passed(Mosley)

So its incomparable. And I'm not saying it to bash you, I'm just saying slow your role

Cotto got on the p4p off of Shane Mosley's "name" but the names you mentioned when Cotto fought them weren't considered to be a big threat at all.

You know how people take Floyd's career or Roy Jones career and disect it saying that the fighters he fought weren't as good as they would become when they fought them? Nobody really thinks much of Torres and felt like Holt got the short end of the stick. Torres is exciting but thats about it and a lot of people don't even feel like he deserves that title and that it was handed to him. Quintana is getting exposure because he beat Paul Williams whom many considered to be the next best welterweight next to mayweather. Quintana I'll give you as far as Mosley, I think Cotto mainly got there off of the name Shane Mosley for what he had done in the past as far a resume's go, but when you look at it Shane was in his late 30s and past his prime. Cotto has yet to beat a champion in their prime or at their best, unless you want to give him Quintana. But people like to say "oh people picked this guy to beat him so yeah" well people picked Hatton to beat Mayweather and Mayweather gets dissed because of it still so its a skewed logic that fans use to protect fighters they like, and then reverse it to ridicule fighters they don't like. Not that I'm accusing you of that I'm just stating


But back to the point, imo Juan Diaz deserved p4p he had 3 of the belts and was dominating Lightweight with the most consistancy i've seen in years. To throw all that away in light of a loss is kind of premature. Diaz was the -4- best at lightweight behind casamayor(who may or may not have it anymore and based off his last performance you'd have to place Diaz ahead of him)

So give credit where credit is due

Good posting Majesty. It's just absurd to try and retrospectively downgrade Juan Diaz based on his loss at the weekend.

Before the fight I would have had him at either 10, 11 or 12 competing with the likes of Ivan Calderon, Kelly Pavlik, Kessler and Hatton for thos fringe p4p slots.

He was seen as THE man in the lightweight division with an ultra exciting style and had KO'd two of the top men in the division, in fact forcing them to quit.

He's only 24 and was already making his 10th world title defense! He was the reigning WBC, IBF AND WBO world champ which meant he held the most belts of any current fighter.

So my question to Gamo is apart from your superb intuition what led you to deduce he didn't deserve p4p status?

9 straight title defenses, holding three of the 4 title belts and still only 24 IS p4p status.

What makes ma laugh though as if that you will place unproven stars like Christian Mijares who has one single win over a name opponent above him and yet be convinced you were right in your assessment.

Before the Cambell fight Diaz was either 10 or 11 p4p imo, the case between him and Calderon could go either way.

But he WAS above Mijares, Kessler, possibly Hatton and maybe Pavlik and Marquez as well.

He lost and now drops a few places but he had most definitely earned his status previously.