Juan Diaz P4P huh?Dear me....

[CutMeMick]

Not now Mick I mean before the Campbell fight.
24 years old, 9 straight defenses. IBF, WBA and WBO lightweight champion, closest to a unified champ in the whole of boxing at that time.

Last I checked age had nothing to do with P4P status....
The fact that Acelinos the biggest name on his resume speaks for itself.

How the fuck had Mijares done more, beat an overhyped Jorge Arce?

Not sure if you realize this mate but Arces a future Hall of Famer.
Wether YOU agree with it or not is another story but fact is hes going to Canastota. You call Arce over hyped that is absurd as he showed fight in and fight out that he stepped in the ring to fight and try to win.
If I remember correctly in another thread you made a comment about Mijares fighting to a draw with Maldonado whom I'm pretty sure you said wait that names sounds familiar and you went searching and clicking on names on BoxRec and you found out he has since then lost to Vic and to Nonito not having seen the fight you thought it'd be smart of you to mention that Mijares fought to a draw agains that same guy...
Look for the fight and watch it tell me if you think Maldonado fought the same. Truth is Maldonado was on one that night and IMO fought his ass off. Mijares himself didn't fight his fight and let off. No excuses hes bounced back and has beaten 2 World Class guys in Arce and Kawashima.

What makes me laugh is that you yourself have said plenty times that you don't rate the small guys and that you could beat them and punch them into the next world Buuuuut you sure as hell like to comment on them and make comments on how much they suck and don't deserve things. For someone whos not interested in the smaller guys you sure type like if you follow them closely....

With Hatton and Marquez both losing their last fights, a case could have been made for an unbeaten Diaz to nip above them in the rankings.

Because you loose a fight DOES NOT necessairly mean your off the P4P list. (This can depend on several things the way the fight went, who you lost to etc. etc.)

To say he wasnt close to p4p based on merit is just hating imo

Well Bilbs I never one said he wasn't close to P4P.
I've never rated him but if I had to rate him pre-Nate fight I would guess somewhere around 11-16.

[Kev]

Last I checked age had nothing to do with P4P status....
The fact that Acelinos the biggest name on his resume speaks for itself.


Not sure if you realize this mate but Arces a future Hall of Famer.
Wether YOU agree with it or not is another story but fact is hes going to Canastota. You call Arce over hyped that is absurd as he showed fight in and fight out that he stepped in the ring to fight and try to win.
If I remember correctly in another thread you made a comment about Mijares fighting to a draw with Maldonado whom I'm pretty sure you said wait that names sounds familiar and you went searching and clicking on names on BoxRec and you found out he has since then lost to Vic and to Nonito not having seen the fight you thought it'd be smart of you to mention that Mijares fought to a draw agains that same guy...
Look for the fight and watch it tell me if you think Maldonado fought the same. Truth is Maldonado was on one that night and IMO fought his ass off. Mijares himself didn't fight his fight and let off. No excuses hes bounced back and has beaten 2 World Class guys in Arce and Kawashima.

What makes me laugh is that you yourself have said plenty times that you don't rate the small guys and that you could beat them and punch them into the next world Buuuuut you sure as hell like to comment on them and make comments on how much they suck and don't deserve things. For someone whos not interested in the smaller guys you sure type like if you follow them closely....



Because you loose a fight DOES NOT necessairly mean your off the P4P list. (This can depend on several things the way the fight went, who you lost to etc. etc.)


Well Bilbs I never one said he wasn't close to P4P.
I've never rated him but if I had to rate him pre-Nate fight I would guess somewhere around 11-16.

Hey Mick you've obviously not read my own posts correctly. If you look back you'll see I never said Diaz was number 10 p4p I said he belongs in the group vying for consideration for that 10th spot, at the time that would have been guys like Calderon, Hatton, Mijares, Kessler etc.

If someone had Calderon above him in the 10th spot I would have had no problem and said so.

Gamo came on here and starting shouting that Diaz was exposed and that anyone who believed in him beforehand was a fool!

I merely defended him and his position as being 'close' to p4p status. Certainly I would not have any complaints prior to the Campbell fight with him being labelled anywhere from 10 to say 13, certainly he wasn't lower in my eyes.

I was not bashing Mijares I was merely saying that he is an example of a fighter that other posters, Gamo included love with a passion. Nothing at all wrong with that but it's woefully inconsistent to laugh at people who believed in Juan Diaz's talents and delight in his exposure, but then to take the moral highground and insist nobody says anything bad about their own favourite fighter.

As for Arce being a future Hall of Famer, you very well may be rifght. But guess what Acelino Freitas might just sneak in alongside him, don't you think?

You say Maldonado was 'on' when he fought Mijares, I have no problem with that, but wouldn't you also say that Nate Campbell was 'on' when he fought the fight of his life against Juan Diaz?

Diaz is only 24, is still one of the most exciting fighters in boxing, and at such a young age held the most belts 3 legit titles of anybody currently in boxing.

He was making his 10th defense of his title and was unbeaten.

That IS borderline p4p status. Maybe you had him 12th or 13th rather than 10th but we are splitting hairs here.

To create a post and say people were fools for placing him at 10 in the p4p rankings rather 11th or 12th is just lame in my opinion.

And besides there are many fighters who but for a slight twist of fate wouldn't be in the rankings. Pavlik with a different referee may have lost the first Taylor fight in the 2nd round. Calderon with different judges may have not got the decision over Hugo Cazares.

And there's nothing to say they won't lose in their next fights either.

If Mijares loses to Munoz in his next fight should I make a post laughing at those who thought he was the shit?

Boxing is a tough sport and any fighter can lose on a given night. Diaz is still an exceptional talent and great for the sport of boxing.

He was up against a wiley veteran who was on fire that night and would have given any lightweight in the world problems.

He'll bounce back.