A few Mis-Conception's people tend to have when talking boxing

[DaxxKahn]

Good thread Daxx and I must agree.
One factor that irratates me is the sudden loss of memory suffered on these boards.
Some guys spend weeks going on about a fighter that is going to beat another.
They hype it up, talk trash and dis the other fighter.

When I pick a losing fighter (Diaz v Campbell, Taylor v Pavlik and Rick v Floyd.) I claim it. I don't like it when guys deny they ever picked one.

Agree..One of the reasons I made the thread...Was directed at no one in particular....Those who do it know who they are.....Though in prediction contest I do tend to pick my favorite out of hopes they spark the other guy out......Also the reason I do so bvadly in the contest

The one week I pick based on the fact I think he will win even though I don't like him GUESS WHAT?...THE JERK LOSES....I knew I did not like Diaz for a reason

[donnydarkoIRL]

Agree..One of the reasons I made the thread...Was directed at no one in particular....Those who do it know who they are.....Though in prediction contest I do tend to pick my favorite out of hopes they spark the other guy out......Also the reason I do so bvadly in the contest

The one week I pick based on the fact I think he will win even though I don't like him GUESS WHAT?...THE JERK LOSES....I knew I did not like Diaz for a reason

Ha Ha thats just bad luck!

I felt sorry for Diaz, he looked very agrieved with his performance and I think he was surprised when he got the vote from one judge.

[CutMeMick]

Good shit! Daxx....

I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces...

I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....

I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...

To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.

Anyway. I too have issues....

Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.

You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal...

I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.

My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it.

[DaxxKahn]

Good shit! Daxx....

I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces...

I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....

I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...

To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.

Anyway. I too have issues....

Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.

You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal...

I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.

My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it.

I just used Haye as an example because he is the flavor of the month so to speak...Had been going on about a ton of guys for a long time and will continue to but like I said just had to get it out....

Agreed on people who like to comment on fighters who they have never seen or that there is little or no footage of.....and I have to disagree about one thing...You can judge how good that fighter was like Greb for example but to do so you need to really look at his career on paper...EG- his record and who he beat, what stage of their careers and in what fashion. Also you need to read what boxing experts (Historians because now a days everone is an expert) have said about him things of that nature...Then you can make a fair assesment but again as you said...you can not really argue his greatness just comment on what you have heard...there is a difference and many people don't seem to know it

Agreed on the undefeated thing...Undefeated does not mean greatness

Fights they have not seen- Gotta love the guys that say "Well so and so told me " and so and so is supposed to be the word of bond?

Good stuff Mick....


Rep to all...those who did not get rep from me on this thread means I just got you not too long ago

[CutMeMick]

I just used Haye as an example because he is the flavor of the month so to speak...Had been going on about a ton of guys for a long time and will continue to but like I said just had to get it out....

You just reminded me on 2 of my fav. ones...

I remember when P. Williams beat Rios and Matthysse people came on here making threads about Williams vs. Cotto, Williams vs. PBF, Williams vs. Margarito etc. etc. etc.

Another one of my fav. is from anothe welterweight. I remember right after A. Berto beat Sparkman and Figueroa people came on here making threads about Berto beating Cotto and Cintron.

You gotta love that... Sometimes we hype the shit! out of fighters and I 'was' guilty as charged and I'll always admit that I did this with "Panchito" Bojado but I learned a lot from that expirience.

[Spicoli]

Hindsight Is 20/20. Today's hype has a way of becoming tomorrow's Punchline.

[Galaxy]

I agree with Daxx about not having to see a fighters fights to understand how good they were. If you read a lot & do your research you are able to make an assessment. I like to use Charlie Burley & Robinson at welterweight as examples.

But I get where Mick is coming from about folks that talk about fights they haven't even seen

[Kev]

Good shit! Daxx....

I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces...

I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....

I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...

To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.

Anyway. I too have issues....

Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.

You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal...

I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.

My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it.

You know Mick ever since you got that gorgeous Gina Carrano lip bite gif as your signature I simply ignore what you say and scroll down to her lucious face.

It's the best ever animated gif on Saddo's but it is distracting....

[Andre]

Good shit! Daxx....

I know you said they weren't directed at any one person but I can already see those whom these things apply to and the look on their faces...

I will admit that I am a new 'Haye' fan I liked the guy from pretty early on and the fact that hes exciting makes him one of my current favs. I asked Smashup (Leader of Team Haye) right after Hayes win over JMMormeck if there was any more room on the Team Haye....

I think the 2 threads about Haye, the one where hes labeled a GREAT and the one about him being the saviour of the Heavyweights are a bit over the top. You gotta think the one about him being great was done pre-Enzo... If you go through it you'll see my response on there about the word "great" being thrown around too easily now a days...

To be honest Hayes a very good CW and hes beat 2 prominent names.
But as far as a Great CW... Hmmmmm!!! I don't know I mean.
CDL, St.Gordon, Carmel and not to mention Holyfield.....
Matter a fact I'm not sure how a fight between he and Yaqui Lopez or 'Miracle' Saad would end up. The guy is certainly on his way to greatness but that road is still a long ways to go.

Anyway. I too have issues....

Great - The word great being placed next to almost any name.
Undefeated - People think that being undefeated is part of being great.
Fights - People who comment on fights they haven't seen.
Fighters - People who comment on fighters they haven't seen or they've seen a highlight video and they comment like they've seen his whole career.

You might be fooling some people who aren't aware of certain things but you don't fool the rest of us who know the real deal...

I like how people say I've seen Harry Greb and he's an ATG.....
Uuuuummm! News Flash no fight video exsist of Greb the only footage of Greb that is known is him training/sparring... I think a few years back someone on the net claimed to have Greb fights but it was all a lie.
Or people who say I've seen/have all of Tysons fights or all of Cottos fights.... Ummmm! News Flash both Tyson & Cotto have 1 fight that no video exsist of. So you can't possibly have all of their fights.

My rants over here and if the shoe fits then wear it.

You know Mick ever since you got that gorgeous Gina Carrano lip bite gif as your signature I simply ignore what you say and scroll down to her lucious face.

It's the best ever animated gif on Saddo's but it is distracting....

Yeah whats the story behind that gif, who shot it?

[Andre]

Im easily pigeon holed.

I go for the underdog even against my own countrymen; so therefore Im

94.8% wrong all of the time.
But when I get a win its sweeter than any of yours

[DaxxKahn]

...I guess that would make winning all the more exciting but not a good strategy if betting money...

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I think the whole bandwagon thing is great! Its just love really. I mean i was never really for the overhyped fighter bandwagon thing.....

Unless we were talking about James Toney being a future Heavyweight God

Oh and i don't mean love in a gay way

[Tam Seddon]

The Hatton hate-wagon pisses me off by far the most, and the Junior Witter band wagon also really pisses me off. I think Bradley is going to take him and I cant wait to see the look on some peoples faces.

[Galaxy]

I love the one where people say "Anyone who thinks that doesn't know boxing" just because they disagree with their opinion.

To Seddon:

I think Bradley is very talented, I wish he had of fought Bailey that would have been a great fight. I also believe he would have defeated Castillo had he made weight. But Witter is a different story. I am one who has been saying for quite awhile that Witter would beat Hatton & I took a few sc for it. But if you think it's an easy fight for Witter I gotta disagree. I think it will be a very evenly matched contest!

[El Kabong]

People do tend to go over the top on here but it's a boxing forum and all we basically talk is boxing and so it's bound to get out of control sometimes and people are going to go too far in their statements as well.


People hate on Wlad unjustly and people think Wlad is invincible....I TRY to be rational in my appreciation of his skills but I am sure I think more highly of his skills than the average person....this kind of stuff tends to balance out HOWEVER the farther the haters go then the more nutjobs we have on here that think Wlad is some kind of super human.....so the more rational and reasonable everyone is then the less shitheads we have on here.

And one thing that really pissed me off is all those James Toney freaks thinking he was going to totally whip Wlad's ass......he didn't even come close to fighting Wlad and farther from beating him