WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!

[p4pking]

Welll I made some points as to why I think he is a serious contender for P4P. Stop being such a jackass and try to at least use logic in your thinking. Manny just won the RING title in a close fight against a stylistic nightmare. A win over JMM in a fight which was 50-50 is more impressive than wins over Hatton and Oscar imo.

Seriously,you make yorself look so foolish sometimes.Try not to backtrack or voer up like you've done ith Margarito/smaller fighters etc etc

Gamo man, you have no right to call anyone foolish if your apparently considering Pac at no.1. It's self explanatory, he's nowhere near the fighter Mayweather is p4p. I also have yet to find a post where I don't agree with Bilbo over you.

[Kev]

Welll I made some points as to why I think he is a serious contender for P4P. Stop being such a jackass and try to at least use logic in your thinking. Manny just won the RING title in a close fight against a stylistic nightmare. A win over JMM in a fight which was 50-50 is more impressive than wins over Hatton and Oscar imo.

Seriously,you make yorself look so foolish sometimes.Try not to backtrack or voer up like you've done ith Margarito/smaller fighters etc etc

Gamo man, you have no right to call anyone foolish if your apparently considering Pac at no.1. It's self explanatory, he's nowhere near the fighter Mayweather is p4p. I also have yet to find a post where I don't agree with Bilbo over you.

Thanks buddy although apparently we disagree over whether Rains is an idiot or not

I personally like him but I'm a fair weather friend and if the rest reject him I'll pretend I never knew him

[GAME]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

[Kev]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

Yeah that's pretty much how I see it.

Quite honestly I feel the best fighter in the division will prove to be Juan Guzman, I think he beats Marquez and Pacquaio based on this showing.

I'd be very interested to see Valero fight either. To me they both looked vulnurable and if he managed to land he could well put them both away.

I'm curious to see how Pac will look at 135, whether the weight will suit him better or worse.

Although on merit I of course keep Pacquaio at number 2, in my heart I think Joe Calzaghe is the second best fighter in the world, and will prove as much against Hopkins, who I believe even at his advanced age is number 3.

[GAME]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

Yeah that's pretty much how I see it.

Quite honestly I feel the best fighter in the division will prove to be Juan Guzman, I think he beats Marquez and Pacquaio based on this showing.

I'd be very interested to see Valero fight either. To me they both looked vulnurable and if he managed to land he could well put them both away.

I'm curious to see how Pac will look at 135, whether the weight will suit him better or worse.

Although on merit I of course keep Pacquaio at number 2, in my heart I think Joe Calzaghe is the second best fighter in the world, and will prove as much against Hopkins, who I believe even at his advanced age is number 3.

I think Floyd and Joe are the top 2 p4p fighters . I can make a case for Hopkins being up there too .

I also agree that Joan Guzman beats both Marquez and Pac but I can see Pac fighting David Diaz instead .

[Bukom Battler]

Great fight but my overall impression was that Marquez won. Maybe when I watch it again and score the fight I may have a different view. This was no robbery however. There were some close rounds.

I still do not think Pac is number one P4P. I would like to see him against Guzman and Valero. Two different challenges. Slick boxer and power puncher.

If he does not rematch Marquez or go for the aforementioned other 2 130lbs then it would be interesting to see him against Nate Campbell. I think he will struggle up at 135. He should stay at 130 for now and clean up (unified champ).

[brucelee]

I've watched the fight closely and indeed it was very close that it warrants a rematch. My scorecard says it's 114-113 Pacquaio or Marquez winning.

The knockdown(which was so impressive), gave this fight to Pacquaio.

Pacquaio deserves to win this one.

[josef4334]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

are you saying marquez is old now? manny is fighting smart now. not something i want to see but at least he's improving.manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere. jmm on the other hand did look like it a couple of times.

[GAME]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

are you saying marquez is old now? manny is fighting smart now. not something i want to see but at least he's improving.manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere. jmm on the other hand did look like it a couple of times.

I think Pac was wobbly at the end of round 2 and hurt again in teh 8th but Marquez is visibly slower now and didnt have it in the tank to follow it up . Marquez showed decent recovery to recover in the 3rd but he was hurt more by that knockdown than any other he has suffered and it may be down to age and recovery powers not being what they used to . Even though I think Marquez won I think if they fought for a 3rd time Marquez would have a tougher fight on his hands cuz that fight took alot out of him . I dont think it took alot out of Pac its just a bad performance from him .

[Pavlik]

Pac greatly deserves his number 2 spot beating MAB, EM convincingly and JMM in a hairline. But P4P number1 hell no!!!
All I can say is for a former 107 pounder to achieve all of these is already a great feat IMO and warrants great RESPECT.
Did Manny deserves this victory, YES. In fact he should've gotten the nod 4 years ago in the first place if it wasn't for Judge Bert Clements.
Marquez wasnt battered but Manny did edge him a lil in this fight and a win is win.

[:::PSL:::]

Pac greatly deserves his number 2 spot beating MAB, EM convincingly and JMM in a hairline. But P4P number1 hell no!!!
All I can say is for a former 107 pounder to achieve all of these is already a great feat IMO and warrants great RESPECT.
Did Manny deserves this victory, YES. In fact he should've gotten the nod 4 years ago in the first place if it wasn't for Judge Bert Clements.
Marquez wasnt battered but Manny did edge him a lil in this fight and a win is win.

I agree with you. But if Pac wins against David Diaz and capture his belt, not only Pac will be a 4-time world time (4 diff divisions),... but also a #1 p4p king!

[josef4334]

If anythings Pacs sliding down the p4p rankings not going up .

He looked vunerable vs Barrera and Larios and now vs Marquez. Wheres his aggression and speed gone ? It looked like he was on his way out in round 8 but JMM has never been a finisher and let him survive .

Manny now needs to forget rematching old Mexicans and start his assult on the young fighters out there .

are you saying marquez is old now? manny is fighting smart now. not something i want to see but at least he's improving.manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere. jmm on the other hand did look like it a couple of times.

I think Pac was wobbly at the end of round 2 and hurt again in teh 8th but Marquez is visibly slower now and didnt have it in the tank to follow it up . Marquez showed decent recovery to recover in the 3rd but he was hurt more by that knockdown than any other he has suffered and it may be down to age and recovery powers not being what they used to . Even though I think Marquez won I think if they fought for a 3rd time Marquez would have a tougher fight on his hands cuz that fight took alot out of him . I dont think it took alot out of Pac its just a bad performance from him .

ohh ok.. i agree with you. i thought you will say like most people here always say that whenever pac wins he's fighting an old fighter. im a lil disappointed with how pac fought. i think he could have fought a more aggressive fight than that. i think that he's taking too much consideration for learning how to counterpunch and box. thats ok but thats not his bread and butter. his money maker is his aggressiveness and his hunger for the KO. on the other hand, i think JMM didnt do enough to seal the deal. he had pac hurt numerous time yet he stood back and took his time coz of his fear of getting countered again and hitting the deck again. jmm also got lucky on that 3rd round coz the KD came late in the round. it took him 4 mins to recover. 1 minute in between rounds and 3 mins while pac cautiously took his time to get him out. if there was no KD i would call it a draw or win JMM but you cannot ignore the points that a KD brings.

[Chino]

[quote=josef4334;480714]

manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere

Are you sure? There were many rounds where he looked like he was on his way out, specially round 8. I think this fight has exposed Manny like never before. I was surprised to see him exhausted and holding to dear life on some rounds, specially round 8. I've seen him clearly dominating in other fights but not against Marquez.

Sure, lots of boxing experts, commentators, fans, etc. disagree with the desicion but oh well, I guess he won. Can't change that. Nice exciting fight anyways.

[:::PSL:::]

[quote=Chino;482207]

manny never looked like he was on his way out anywhere

Are you sure? There were many rounds where he looked like he was on his way out, specially round 8. I think this fight has exposed Manny like never before. I was surprised to see him exhausted and holding to dear life on some rounds, specially round 8. I've seen him clearly dominating in other fights but not against Marquez.

Sure, lots of boxing experts, commentators, fans, etc. disagree with the desicion but oh well, I guess he won. Can't change that. Nice exciting fight anyways.

Pac was squinting a lot in round 8. That was a big round for JMM. I thought he was gonna finish Pac there, or an EM-MP 1 deJavu atleast. But ofcourse, being a true warrior Manny is,.. he turned the table and gave Marquez a nastier cut in the eye too.

Note: Marquez got cut twice. One from the accidental headbutt, and the other is from the punch.

[p4pking]

Welll I made some points as to why I think he is a serious contender for P4P. Stop being such a jackass and try to at least use logic in your thinking. Manny just won the RING title in a close fight against a stylistic nightmare. A win over JMM in a fight which was 50-50 is more impressive than wins over Hatton and Oscar imo.

Seriously,you make yorself look so foolish sometimes.Try not to backtrack or voer up like you've done ith Margarito/smaller fighters etc etc

Gamo man, you have no right to call anyone foolish if your apparently considering Pac at no.1. It's self explanatory, he's nowhere near the fighter Mayweather is p4p. I also have yet to find a post where I don't agree with Bilbo over you.

Thanks buddy although apparently we disagree over whether Rains is an idiot or not

I personally like him but I'm a fair weather friend and if the rest reject him I'll pretend I never knew him

Then start pretending, because he's seriously an idiot. Ok, I'm sure you're friendly with him and maybe he is a decent guy, but when it comes to boxing(which is what this forum is for), he doesn't know dick all.