Quote Originally Posted by buhlestnoble View Post
Based on wins over Hopkins and pavlik I would seriously consider joe as p4p best based on having faced perhaps the toughest opposition of any current fighter.

Its difficult to overtake floyd unless you bt him. He is a great fighter

Taeth disagree with your opinion on the closeness of the calzaghe Kessler fight. It was a clear cut UD for joe and I haven’t heard anyone else comment otherwise. Your argument loses direction considering how very close floyd was to loosing to a past his best de la hoya.

Hopkins is a great boxer but overrated. When you look at his record the only other genuine middleweight greats he ever fought, jones and taylor (not a great imo), he lost to. His best wins came against fighters he had significant physical advantages over…de la hoya, Trinidad, wright and tarver who had to lose 40lbs to make weight. Joe will be rated above him one day.

IMO p4p list is based on a fighters record…..his level of opposition….his titles….over how many weight division…..and how skilled a boxer you think he is and his potential NOT who would win if they were the same division. How can you predict who would win if Vasquez and say klitschko fought at the same weight…..oooo Vasquez would have the speed klitshko the power etc lol. I believe that when you have ranked the fighters based on some of the criteria and others I first mentioned you have the best possible idea of who would win IF they were the same weight anyway.

Teath cant respect your opinion on how calzaghe v mayweather would pan out. Saying floyd would have the power advantage etc I just find it stupid arguament. Not to get dragged in too far I would say that joe possesses the athleticism and stamina that arguably de la hoya lacked in their very close 1st fight!

On when a fighter peaks and when he is on the way down. Lets be honest this is pretty much guess work. It seems convenient tho how whenever top American fighters lose ie jones and Hopkins….all of a sudden they are past there peak. Many fighters are supposedly finished by the age of 30 so how we can say that joe is still at his peak (whatever that means) is again not based on any real science. Show me his VO2 max, his bench press max, his 100m etc. He may have reached his physical peak 5 years ago for all we know.

The bottom line…. Calzaghe isn’t American and hasn’t fought there yet so he is not well respected as he would be if he had fought there. Its as simple as that really cos the American media tell us who the p4p best fighters are and they are the ones who build up the fighters. Like lennox lewis, calzaghe wont be respected fully until he is retired and his former opponents, take kessler as an example, have proven how good they are to the US audience
Good post.. even though it hurts me because Kessler is a fave of mine.. i agree. I'm American and i know what Calzaghe is capable of i don't really think anyone can beat him unless its pavlik.. B-Hop is gonna get eff'd up.