What A Crock Of Crap!!!!!

[Fenster]

Golden Boy is hurting the sport in more ways now. How did they ever think that buying that company would give the sport any credibility with MMA breathing down boxings neck.

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

[Bx730NY]

You realizes they gave the belt to Pac right?
I could see if they would have NOT given the belt to Pac then I can see the issue or why you would feel that this is hurting the sport.

The result has been given and that can't be changed, Pac is the Ring Champ. that's all that matters.

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.

[noskill]

Ring didn't state anything slanderous or shocking. Alot of people had JMM winning and alot had Paaquiao winning. It was a close fight. I personally scored 113-115 Pacman. 6 rounds to 5 with one even and a 10-8 for the KD. I couldnt logically argue against a draw or a win for Marquez. The fight was just that good and close.
If we weren't allowed to mildly question a close SD win,then we would have squat to talk about on these boards.

[Galaxy]

This thread is a crock of crap!!!

Why shouldn't writers say who they felt won the fight? They're boxing journalists reporting on what they saw. They said the same thing about Casamayor's decision over Santa Cruz. I didn't see you sticking up for Casamayor & saying Ring mag should just hand over the belt with their mouths closed. You saw the Casamayor/ Santa Cruz fight & disagreed with the decision, I saw the Pacquiao/ Marquez fight & disagreed with the decision as did many, many others. Why are you criticizing writers from the Ring for saying what they think?

This thread is absolutely ridiculous!!!

[Kev]

No, actually it's not all that matters.

They handed him the belt but took away the credit. So how is that a good thing? It's a tough fight to score and people have different views on the scoring. The only scores that matter are the judges.

Again, it's not like Marquez completely dominated or Pac was not in the fight like Casamayor was thoroughly dominated in his last fight. Which is the reason for VD's appearance on the thread to disagree.

It was a great close fight and the judges picked Pac so golden boy.......errr, ring mag has to suck it up and not try to downplay Pacs accomplishment.

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.

This actually strikes at a deeper question that I have raised before. The Ring ISNT an official governing body and they DON'T have any official belt sanctioning abilities.

They are a magazine. As a magazine it is entirely right and proper that they comment on all the big fights, that is what a magazine's role is.

Can you imagine Shoot, the popular uk soccer mag not providing assessment of matches for fear of being labelled biased, it's just absurd, that is the very job of a magazine!

So there is nothing wrong in The Ring making judgements on who they thought won the fight, that is their role.......as a magazine.

However, if you take issue, as I do to an extent, of a magazine holding more sway in the minds of the hardcore fans than the sanctioning bodies then that is another argument entirely.

I have raised this many times. The idea that a magazine's rankings can take precedent over the actual official rankings is something entirely peculiar to boxing.

No other sport operates in this way.I believe that in allowing the Ring to operate in a such a way devalues the actual belts that are in place.

When Greece stunned the whole of Europe by winning the European cup (soccer) a few years back people were amazed, but noone questioned the result. That was it, they won they were champions.

In boxing however it's another thing entirely. As I highlighted the other day Ricardo Torres despite being a legitimate belt holder is ranked only 9th (actually 10th as the champ is 0) in the junior welterweight division by the Ring Magazine.

This creates a strange double standard. Although he is a genuine world title belt holder, the fans and writers alike don't recognise that and rate him lower than people such as D Hop who has never even fought for a world title

Those are the cases I think the Ring serves to undermine boxing because they are unintentionally taking away from the credibility of the sanctioning bodies.

[ArawakWarria]

Let me get this straight;

Them giving the belt to the winner is controversial, but

Them owning the magazine that gives out the ratings is not

Things are getting drastic...

[Julius Rain]

This is just build up for a third fight. Ofcourse their going to credit the loser more (JMM) just so the third fight loses no interest and continue to gain every side. The loser side being eager to prove his still better even though his always coming up short and the winner being fed up and will be blazing once again.

Pac is the Ring Champ, JMM's belt didn't really matter in that fight it was the vacant Ring title that mattered most. Pac has it now and he should of had it a long time ago. His been the man to beat and he damn well deserves it. JMM always comes up short, and he and his fans should be thankful the win is controversial. So he deserves another shot at pac. JMM is also lucky to have won the Mab fight and the judge mis scoring the first fight with pac. If not he would of lose two in a row 4 years ago then may have lost to mab also if the knock down was scored correctly.

The Ring is co-owned by Goldenboy so these statements from these guys don't really means shyt but dollars. Ofcourse their going to say the goldenboy fighter won. IF they really think so though they would of taken the belt from pac, but they just a bunch of puppets.

[Galaxy]

SO you'd prefer the journos to LIE and pretend they scored the fight for Pac?

They don't have to lie about anything. Just hand over the belt with their mouths closed.

This actually strikes at a deeper question that I have raised before. The Ring ISNT an official governing body and they DON'T have any official belt sanctioning abilities.

They are a magazine. As a magazine it is entirely right and proper that they comment on all the big fights, that is what a magazine's role is.

Can you imagine Shoot, the popular uk soccer mag not providing assessment of matches for fear of being labelled biased, it's just absurd, that is the very job of a magazine!

So there is nothing wrong in The Ring making judgements on who they thought won the fight, that is their role.......as a magazine.

However, if you take issue, as I do to an extent, of a magazine holding more sway in the minds of the hardcore fans than the sanctioning bodies then that is another argument entirely.

I have raised this many times. The idea that a magazine's rankings can take precedent over the actual official rankings is something entirely peculiar to boxing.

No other sport operates in this way.I believe that in allowing the Ring to operate in a such a way devalues the actual belts that are in place.

When Greece stunned the whole of Europe by winning the European cup (soccer) a few years back people were amazed, but noone questioned the result. That was it, they won they were champions.

In boxing however it's another thing entirely. As I highlighted the other day Ricardo Torres despite being a legitimate belt holder is ranked only 9th (actually 10th as the champ is 0) in the junior welterweight division by the Ring Magazine.

This creates a strange double standard. Although he is a genuine world title belt holder, the fans and writers alike don't recognise that and rate him lower than people such as D Hop who has never even fought for a world title

Those are the cases I think the Ring serves to undermine boxing because they are unintentionally taking away from the credibility of the sanctioning bodies.

Your kidding right? Using credibility & sanctioning bodies in the same sentence. That's just laughable!!!

Who did Torres beat to get his belt? Arnaoutis! Who'd he beat? He didn't beat Hatton so why would anyone recognize that fight as for the championship? Multiple champions is what's ruining the game. At least the Ring policy is trying to make things better!

I don't see any double standards in this regard from the Ring, Torres just ain't a champion cause the ABC boys don't exist! The sooner you stop recognizing them yourself the better of you'll be!

[SweetPea]

I don't see what the problem is here.

The Ring recognizes and abides by judging decisions, but they don't follow sanctioning bodies. That's their stance and always has been.

They scored the fight for Marquez, but the judging decision was for Pac and therefore they acknowledge the official judges and give their belt to Pac.

If the roles had been reversed, and Marquez had won a close decision, but the Ring thought Pac won... then they would have let Marquez keep the belt, but they would have published that they thought Pac won.

What's the problem here?

[Chino]

I don't see what the problem is here.

The Ring recognizes and abides by judging decisions, but they don't follow sanctioning bodies. That's their stance and always has been.

They scored the fight for Marquez, but the judging decision was for Pac and therefore they acknowledge the official judges and give their belt to Pac.

If the roles had been reversed, and Marquez had won a close decision, but the Ring thought Pac won... then they would have let Marquez keep the belt, but they would have published that they thought Pac won.

What's the problem here?

The problem is that ODLH has something to do with it and WHATEVER HE DOES will be seen as the worse thing out there no matter what.