Lee vs. Vera

[Spicoli]

Spicoli and Gorilla are so off on this. Bad stoppage. If this ref was working Pavlik/Taylor 1, he would it would have been TKO 2 for Taylor. Lee was hurt, but he was still fighting back. He had staggered Vera in the previous round. Maybe Vera KO's him later that round, but Vera should have been given the opportunity to end it properly and Lee should have been given the opportunity to come back. I'm no huge Andy Lee fan, but if you think this was a good stoppage, you are just too wrapped up in the moment supporting an underdog. I love an upset as much as anybody, but I want to see it called correct. Had Vera won legit, I would be giving him all props, but the stoppage was crap, and if Vera gets back in the ring with Lee, he's going to get his ass handed to him.

Sorry Rozzy but this is the best thing that can happen to Lee right now.....The best of fighters have lost early on and looked to rebound well.Stoppage can be seen by some as Iffy and It will be noted by fans but Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen with comparisons. Lee was getting opened up on by a grade b-c guy in Vera with shots cleanly ,and Lee's body language was tired & Tattered.He was not ultimatley fazing Vera with shots and had no secondary game plan after cut and vera started backing him up.

I am not writing him off and Lee has the physical gifts to build on.I Liked his occasional sneaky inside shots and range but He was out worked and out punched down the stretch.We'll see Lee again and hopefully he can rebuild but he has some work to do.

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

Agree that Vera was not fully dominating Lee but it sure looked like he gave lee a shalacking in the 4th as well

If you could see a stoppage depending on the wideness of the score......I have to ask Is it the refs Job to keep track of the Scores or should he be more focused on a fighter absorbing graduale damage??Lee was foggy and getting wrecked,Vera was teeing off with much more impact then Lee at that point in the fight.Dont get me wrong....I think they seek a rematch and i believe Lee can re-tool and exploit Veras somewhat wreckless style for an educational win.

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Sorry Rozzy but this is the best thing that can happen to Lee right now.....The best of fighters have lost early on and looked to rebound well.Stoppage can be seen by some as Iffy and It will be noted by fans but Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen with comparisons. Lee was getting opened up on by a grade b-c guy in Vera with shots cleanly ,and Lee's body language was tired & Tattered.He was not ultimatley fazing Vera with shots and had no secondary game plan after cut and vera started backing him up.

I am not writing him off and Lee has the physical gifts to build on.I Liked his occasional sneaky inside shots and range but He was out worked and out punched down the stretch.We'll see Lee again and hopefully he can rebuild but he has some work to do.

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

Agree that Vera was not fully dominating Lee but it sure looked like he gave lee a shalacking in the 4th as well

If you could see a stoppage depending on the wideness of the score......I have to ask Is it the refs Job to keep track of the Scores or should he be more focused on a fighter absorbing graduale damage??Lee was foggy and getting wrecked,Vera was teeing off with much more impact then Lee at that point in the fight.Dont get me wrong....I think they seek a rematch and i believe Lee can re-tool and exploit Veras somewhat wreckless style for an educational win.

Exactly. A ref doesn't need to know the scores, it's completely irrelevant as far as him doing his job. Instead he needs to monitor how much punishment each fighter has taken over the fight, their willingness and ability to fight on, their condition. I think he made a gutsy call in ending the fight there, no reason for a young kid to take obscene punishment on the off chance he could manage to survive past the journeyman pummeling him. The tide was clearly turning completely in Vera's favour as well, even in the rounds Lee won, he reacted much worse to shots he was being hit with than Vera did.