Do you think Sam Peter hits harder than Dempsey, louis, marciano, foreman liston

[Deanrw]

He was his own worst enemy.One of the best inside fighting heavies in a while when he was in top form.When the crazy talk about refrigerators In the bedroom started it was clear what was ahead Lol.

I think too much emphasis is put on pure punching power these days.With out technique and full skill set it can be misleading.

I think Laziness combined with the Freakish Chinned Holyfield took way too much out of him. He was never the same after the first Holyfield fight.

Yep.At times You could see it in his body language.Just seemed Aloof and disinterested.He was always doing that Ali Impersonation and mugging in interviews.Nice enough guy with great skills who I don't think ever realized his full potential.

That 1st Holyfield war took some out of him Indeed.Holyfield made that one much tougher than he should have (Whats new?).After a nice first round working with the jab and boxing well,It all changed up in the 2nd when holyfield got pissed,Planted his feet and started swapping bombs.The best Bowe has ever looked I think.Sad now....Makes Mayweather sr. look like a great orator.Is he still planning on fighting?

I certainly hope not. I heard he now has like a 75 IQ. The wars have certainly taken a toll on him. He never did see his full potential unfortunately. But you could see his greatness almost come out in certain fights. His prime was soooo short though. It is a shame really. He and Holyfield stole each others primes.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've just discovered this thread and I'm afraid it's one of those threads If I read I will get upset

[The Fightfan]

I gotta go with Marciano fighting around 185 lbs and able to knock guys out 20,30,or even 40 lbs heavier than him say what you will, but Marciano's record speaks for itself.I like the fact he did it at such a lower weight and was able to get those big guys out of their.As for Foreman,Liston,Peter.From I've seen and read it looks as if they outweight their oppenents also.Which in theory is easier to knock someone out.That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

[X]

I think that there are punchers, and there are punchers.

The blow that knocks you cold is the one you never see coming .... whereas people can stand up to much heavier punches if they see it and can subconsciously tense up ready for it etc.

Personally, I think that someone like Tyson or (to a slightly lesser extent) Dempsey, attacked so ferociously and threw bunches of combinations so that the final blow landed was either unseen by the other guy, or landed while he was on the way down. Frazier's wide left hook (which was a bit of a freakish punch as he could not straighten his left arm fully, after a childhood accident) was also like a bolt from the blue and took people out who had not even seen it coming. I guess that the reason that someone like Ingemar Johansson being such a destroyer - without being a devastating pure puncher - was he could hit you so fast you never even saw it.

Marciano was just a guy who would hit you anywhere he could, as hard as he could - knowing it would wear you down. The Rock, didn't knock people cold .... he budgeoned them to smithereens until they couldn't get up any more. Pure power.

I think that Sam Peter probably most closely resembles someone like Sonny Liston. A big solid guy, slightly ponderous, but each shot is thrown with lots of power. That's why Sonny could be outboxed and sometimes ran out of steam even early in his career ... and I think Peter will be the same. If you stand in front of either guy, you are probably going to get stiffed because they both have solid chins and are pretty tough cookies.

For me, the greatest heavyweight puncher of all was Joe Louis.

I didn't say he was the hardest, nor the fastest ..... but he is the hardest and the fastest (if you know what I mean). The guy absolutely controlled distance, and when he got close he was a wrecking machine ..... fast, hard, multiple combinations that you never saw coming. He had everything in terms of an offensive arsenal.

So, I don't think Peter punches harder than Marciano, Foreman or Liston (if you just measured the psi). I think that he might well punch harder than Dempsey or Tyson but they were faster and threw combinations better.

I'd have him on a par with Liston ..... BUT his career needs more time until he can get truly ranked and remembered. Don't forget that those other guys were undisputed all time greats and Peter most certainly is not yet.

I think Louis hit as hard as Peter, but was a more precise hitter, he also threw better combinations and was a better finisher once the other guy was hurt !!

[El Kabong]

I've just discovered this thread and I'm afraid it's one of those threads If I read I will get upset

Why would you get upset? Everyone knows Sam Peter has power just some people like to exaggerate how good he is at using it....the greatest power punchers of all time found ways to land their punches, and Sam Peter just doesn't do that very well.

I can't see Sam Peter beating anyone the way Marciano beat Walcott, the way Foreman beat Frazier, the way Lewis beat Rahman, or the way Tyson beat Spinks.


I can see how you can compare Peter to Sonny Liston especially when you look at Liston-Patterson I & II .....the only thing is Liston had a great jab that set up his power punches and he was a mean S.O.B and that honestly means a lot.


I still don't see danger when I see Sam Peter fight....when you saw Tyson or Prime Foreman then you'd see a look that would put the fear of God into pretty much anyone....if I see Sam Peter I see someone who doesn't look mean, doesn't act mean, and doesn't really punch mean. Sure Lewis, Marciano, Wlad, and other top punchers don't have that scary side to them but Lewis and Wlad are Boxer/Punchers and Marciano was more of a pressure guy who would take your will away, he could blast you out but ususally he got guys tired from accumulation of punches and then landed one big one at the end. Foreman and Tyson would eat your heart and crap out your soul before the bell rang to start the fight and they punched to punish people for even thinking they were worthy enough to set foot in the same ring as them

And yes Joe Louis was a hell of a puncher, he knew his range better than any fighter I know of and he didn't miss much and even if he did he didn't leave himself off balance

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've just discovered this thread and I'm afraid it's one of those threads If I read I will get upset

Why would you get upset? Everyone knows Sam Peter has power just some people like to exaggerate how good he is at using it....the greatest power punchers of all time found ways to land their punches, and Sam Peter just doesn't do that very well.

I can't see Sam Peter beating anyone the way Marciano beat Walcott, the way Foreman beat Frazier, the way Lewis beat Rahman, or the way Tyson beat Spinks.


I can see how you can compare Peter to Sonny Liston especially when you look at Liston-Patterson I & II .....the only thing is Liston had a great jab that set up his power punches and he was a mean S.O.B and that honestly means a lot.


I still don't see danger when I see Sam Peter fight....when you saw Tyson or Prime Foreman then you'd see a look that would put the fear of God into pretty much anyone....if I see Sam Peter I see someone who doesn't look mean, doesn't act mean, and doesn't really punch mean. Sure Lewis, Marciano, Wlad, and other top punchers don't have that scary side to them but Lewis and Wlad are Boxer/Punchers and Marciano was more of a pressure guy who would take your will away, he could blast you out but ususally he got guys tired from accumulation of punches and then landed one big one at the end. Foreman and Tyson would eat your heart and crap out your soul before the bell rang to start the fight and they punched to punish people for even thinking they were worthy enough to set foot in the same ring as them

And yes Joe Louis was a hell of a puncher, he knew his range better than any fighter I know of and he didn't miss much and even if he did he didn't leave himself off balance

Lyle, I feel Peter is incomparable.



With Marciano, he went in to finish. If the guy was too tough to finish, we'd see Marciano jumping all over him looking for the stoppage for 15 rounds. He never ever backed down.

Liston went in to finish. He jabbed set up his big punches and threw with intent. Like marciano, he looked for the stoppage every round and he constantly chased opposition with numerous punches.

Louis. Well Louis was Louis. He got in there. Threw percise punches which were all aimed to neutralise the opponent. To beat him you had to nail him. Another man who did not surrender.

Dempsey was a wild man. A small heavy even in those days, he was a ferociously aggresive fighter, magnificently fit considering his era's lack of training and technique. A fighter who threw his soul into his fights.

Peter is a fighter who enters the ring to attempt to blast an opponent out. It doesn't always happen and we end up seeing a boring UD.
I don't want to disrespect Peter but it's the truth. His power carried him upward through the ranks, but dwindles at the top level. He cannot compensate with any speed, skill or athleticism. He will never be a great.


I know the thread was a question on power alone and I strayed from those issues, but if boxing was decided on power alone Earnie Shavers may have been the GOAT.