Margarito wrecked Cintron and suspicions of Steward were confirmed

[WelshDevilRob]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

[Kev]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

I think you've been playing too much Connect 4 Rob

I watched the fight twice and unless both the live stream and the version I downloaded from WBVA had Manny super imposed in the corner he was definitely there.

He was even telling Cintron that Margarito was tiring in the third round

Try watching it again and then pay attention to Cintron's corner in between rounds

[leftylee]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

I think you've been playing too much Connect 4 Rob

I watched the fight twice and unless both the live stream and the version I downloaded from WBVA had Manny super imposed in the corner he was definitely there.

He was even telling Cintron that Margarito was tiring in the third round

Try watching it again and then pay attention to Cintron's corner in between rounds

[The Rookie Fan]

I disagree with some of you. Manny may have been on Cintron's Corner and he may have been giving him instructions but they were just the wrong instructions. Cintron was listening it was just that Manny was giving bad advice.

Manny kept telling Cintron to move forward a keep shooting the right hand even though it was abundantly clear that Cintron was having much more success when he stayed outside and landed on Margarito as he came to him.

[SweetPea]

Steward is definitely on a bad roll right now. As I've said here before, I think Steward is a great heavyweight trainer, but he's somewhat overrated in the lower weight classes.

[BoomBoom]

I disagree with some of you. Manny may have been on Cintron's Corner and he may have been giving him instructions but they were just the wrong instructions. Cintron was listening it was just that Manny was giving bad advice.

Manny kept telling Cintron to move forward a keep shooting the right hand even though it was abundantly clear that Cintron was having much more success when he stayed outside and landed on Margarito as he came to him.

Most of what Steward was telling Cintron WAS to stay outside and box him. That was mainly what he telling him all night. Kermits just not a skilled boxer at all. Cintron just came undone like the first fight and fell apart. The one think Manny should have stressed more was for Cintron to stop bringing his head down.

[Beanflicker]

I think a lot of you are being too hard on Manny. With the Jermain thing, I dont think that was entirely his fault because Jermain has been with the same trainer for so long, it was stupid of him to leave and try to change things up like that. With Kermit, he wasn't going to beat Margarito regardless of what advice Manny gave him. He didnt have the defense skills to outbox Margarito. He was trying to dance out of the way and he was still getting bombed.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

manny is still a top class trainer but has become a victim of his own success, there are many boxer who want him to train them, as a result he doesnt seem as able to do a great job anymore, also its had a snowball effect with his fighters loseing back to back and maybe the others he trains have lost fatih in his methods

he's still one of the best out there tho

[Cortez The Killer]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

[Beanflicker]

LOL! Cant believe he neg repped you over that. Must have been another black yoda-lookin fellow in Cintron's corner

[LEGION]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

[Spicoli]

yeh, Just watched the fight for about the 5th time and Manny was definatley there, in between Instructions there he was....dabbing Kermits eyes and testing the milks warmpth on his wrist...

[El Kabong]

Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

[Spicoli]

Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

Manny could have talked till he was blue in the face but it would not have mattered with Cintron.He looked uncomfortable and tentative at range and Margarito was closing on him so much he froze on the inside where his body was wrecked.

Cintrons showed some sort of toughness/stubbornness just to make into the 6th but his problems are upstairs not physical Imo.

I really think Manny was not certain of His desire.He was Imploring him almost desperately ...early on it was "walk forward" and between the 5-6 it was "you got to try to box..he has a good chin..you've got to box this round" I think he knew what was coming. Just give me Margarito Vs. Cotto NOW.

[Cortez The Killer]

SO back to the topic..

I thought it was also telling that RIGHT after the Cintron fight Emanuel was on camera and then also announcing for the Cotto-Gomez fight.

When you are in the ring and taking that risk you need to have trust in your trainer. If you dont trust him you wont listen. And if you trainer is doing a billion other things, even distracted to have to get ready to announce right after your fight...how much trust can you have in a guy like Steward?

When you are getting mauled in the ring and your trainer is telling you to "box"...why doesnt Steward offer more constructive and specific advice? b/c he doesn't know his fighter and his mind is not on the match! Did he really think Cintron was going to be able to "flick" the jab all night and eventually land a monstrous right hand that would stop Margarito in his tracks? CIntron was lost from round 1 and the legendary Steward has shown once again he is becoming more and more ineffective as a trainer!

You can say it's the boxer's fault for picking Steward. But thats what I mean that Steward is just getting by on his name now and not his talent. I'm sure many boxers would benefit from a no-name trainer who has personal interest in them and a bond with them then a "designer" trainer like Steward has become.