Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

[Taeth]

Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

Your wrong on all accounts. First of all Oscar did try to punish Floyd, he isn't a dirty fighter, but he was trying to get Floyd on the ropes and do everything he could to rough Mayweather up. As for nobody ever really testing Mayweather, have you seen more than like his last 4 fights? Here are the guys who tested him, or tried to

Demarcus Corley
Emmanuel Burton(watch this fight before you even start to talk)
Corrales tried to, but Mayweather movement was too good for him, and could be for COtto as well.
Castillo x 2
Victoriano Sosa
Jesus Chavez
Ricky Hatton(he was trying to rough Mayweather up on the inside, and he wasn't able to do that at all)

All of these guys tried to fight a tough fight with Mayweather and all of them failed. Castillo got away with murder in terms of punching and holding in Mayweather-Castillo I and thats where a lot of his punches in punchstat were given to him, but he still lost that fight by a round, and the second fight by 4 or 5 rounds.

Oscar didn't really Mayweather even close to a lot of these fights that had Mayweather bleeding from the nose, and an eye, and he, FLoyd, never folded once. Also when Mayweather broke his hand against Hernandez he finished the fight even though he severly broke his left hand.

[El Kabong]

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

[Macho]

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

Hey bro.....i think this guy owe you a real REP man......

[Taeth]

I have boxed before thank you very much.

De la Hoya and all the rest of the fighters you mentioned wanted to work through Floyd's defense....Miguel Cotto is not going to do that.

When I say "work through the defense" I mean find openings and set up your punches like any normal fighter and any normal fight. The thing is Floyd isn't any normal fighter and when you're fighting him it's not going to be any normal fight. Miguel Cotto is going to hit Floyd Mayweather Jr. where ever he wants to AND it's going to hurt.

No De la Hoya isn't a dirty fighter and it did come back to kind of hurt him...people want Floyd to sit still or stop throwing punches so they can hit him...that is where the timing comes into play and Floyd like any fighter has tendencies and things he likes to do and it's up to Cotto to figure out how to make him pay for those tendencies.


As for Margarito he's tall, he fights short...it's never a positive thing to do to give up your height. He has long arms and he likes fighting on the inside....when is that good to do? What good is being 5'11 vs a shorter fighter if you're not going to use it. As for Margarito's defense he likes to have his hands straight up and down and a little bit apart...when you're in a crouch and you have a guard like that what punch would YOU throw against him? UPPERCUT especially if he's coming forward! You throw that land effectively and his arms close up a little bit to try and stop you and then it's time for the left hook to start landing.

Sure Cotto is going to have to bring his defensive 'A game' but his defense has shown to be more effective than Margarito's....correct me if I'm wrong but Cotto has shown what a good boxer he is in his last couple of fights. And he can move and use defense to block punches, his cross blocking is perfect to block any uppercuts. And vs uppercuts you can counter a number of ways but look at Ali-Frazier I, the knockdown was an Uppercut vs a Hook and the hook landed first, it was a different fight and a different style matchup BUT YES the hook can counter the uppercut.

But hey that's just my opinion, if you want to be an asshole and bring things up like "I am getting the feeling you have never boxed before" then fine but I believe everything I have listed gives a good account of the style matchup everyone can expect. You go ahead and tell me where I am wrong but I swear I'll be right in someone else's opinion and you'll be right in another because very few things are concrete in boxing when it comes to strategy, it's like rock, paper, scissors...something always balances another thing out. I am just giving my opinion...so don't be a dick

I am not trying to an asshole about the boxing thing, but in the gym you find pretty quickly that how Cotto holds his hands(beside his head) he eats uppercuts all day, Mosley when he threw the few he did landed them, Judah landed them when he threw them, even Gomez landed an uppercut or two in their fight even though he couldn't land anything else Torrest ripped Cotto a new one with uppercuts. That IMO is the only punch that really lands on Cotto effectively because the right hand over top is usually hitting his glove, and or the top of his head which doesn't really hurt, and only really skilled boxers can time it so they hit Cotto just as he's throwing his punches, Mosley was able to do that, but I doubt Margarito has the skill to do this.

AS for Mayweather vs Cotto what is Cotto going to do if he isn't going to work through Mayweather's defense? Hatton had a unique ability to land punches as well, also was a good body puncher, and Mayweather totally limited Hatton's connect % to only 18. Both Oscar and Hatton had way more footspeed than Cotto which allowed them to keep Floyd against the ropes.
Now where it gets interesting is Mayweather is able to avoid punches no matter who he is fighting he figures how to avoid being hit very often. Judah was hitting him early with 57% of his powerpunches, but by the end it was down to 29%, and in the last round he missed almost every power punch he threw. I think earlier on Mayweather needed to get used to Judah's speed and the fact Mayweather was closing the distance when usually its the other fighter.
Now what makes this interesting is that Cotto has been able to land solid shots on everyone he has faced. He has faced slick fighters in Judah, Malignaggi, and Mosley(sort of), and he has been able to hit them all early. Now none of these guys are particularly great defensively though Mosley used to have a lot better defense when he was younger, Judah doesn't switch up his defense so its easy to figure him out because he doesn't use a lot of head movement, and he never really brought his right hand up to block Cotto's jab. Maglinaggi probably had the best defense of all three of them at this point in their careers and Cotto hit him easily. However Mayweather is a whole other story, he is the only one who has better timing than Cotto, and speed, and didn't crack under the pressure(like Judah who had the other two components). Mayweather loves going backwards unlike two of these three fighters, and Paulie fought aggressively against Cotto because, I assume, of the early cut. This leads me to believe Mayweather who has faced a lot more good offensive fighters will find a way to negate Cotto's offense, because while Cotto has one of the best offenses today Mayweather has one of the three best defenses ever(along with Pep and Whitaker)

[El Gamo]

Have some rep on me JT,nice to know that you see something in Tony and aren't afraid to admit. You've slated that guy alot in the past,as have most posting in this thread so it's cool to see.

Amat and P4P King,I disagree that we didn't see anything new. Margarito was jabbing quite a bit. His handspeed looked slightly quicker(still not great but trust me,it was better than usual) and he was using head movement after he realised Kermit would just keep pumping the jab.He also started quciker. Those are improvements imo. And sure he was favourite to win but after round 1,I was getting nervous!He adjusted well to get onto the inside.

Someone with slick movement and good jab would cause him problems but I wouldn't discount him. The 2 guys that have beante him:Williams(threw 1,2000 plus punches,was taller,bigger) and Santos(Tony should have gotten the decision,Santos was MUCH bigger), you're not going to find 2 guys like that at WW.

[amat]

I actually did notice the head movement, he did a bit of bobbing and weaving and thought he intergrated that pretty well on the inside. And I was wrong, he can punch short on the inside but I think the smaller Cotto will still be able to slip and block most everything and punch in between Margarito's long punches.

[El Kabong]

I don't remember Torres throwing one single uppercut. He threw right crosses and left hooks because Cotto's hands come down to block uppercuts as he's moving in. Sure Judah caught him with an uppercut and Mosley might have a time or two but did Cotto go down? If you have Cotto hurt, and you try to put him away you're still going to get nailed in return.

Ricky Hatton = Junior Welterweight


Miguel Cotto hits people and doesn't care WHERE only that the punch causes damage....if you can stop a guy with a punch to the shoulder then you've shown me Floyd's defense shouldn't bother you.

Hasn't everyone Cotto has fought cemented their right hand to their chin and hasn't the majority of those fighters ended their fights with Cotto with broken jaws and disfigured faces?

Unlike anyone else Floyd has fought Miguel Cotto doesn't rely on ONE PUNCH he's going to beat you up AND he's not going to as Ricky Hatton and De la Hoya did abandon the body attack....he's never going to do it and Floyd has never been attacked to the body the way Cotto is going to attack him.

Sure you have a right to see what Floyd offers but don't just pooh pooh what Miguel Cotto can do to Floyd Mayweather.

[JT Rock]

Lyle,

You are a one trick pony and a pathetic one at that, you personify the typical loudmoth ignorant pinnacle of Douchebaggery...

You are on everyone that fights Mayweathers nutz, as some bionic hero, you say the same stupid shitt everytime, no wonder why you are such a political whoremonger since your message is as unoriginal, misleading and empty as your political views and ideas...

Here is a sample of Lyles drivel everytime he analyzes Mayweathers opponent or potential opponent.. Note its the same exact Bullshit with just a different name inserted to the begining of the sentence

"No one is gonna attack Mayweathers body like this guy"

"No one is gonna manhandle Mayweather like this guy"

"This guy is gonna crack Mayweathers Defense"

"Mayweather is a fragile fighter"....... as much as this statement is ridiculous and as so removed from reality, its an indictment on your lack of knowledge


So Einstein in your infinite wisdom you fail to realize the facts of Floyds skill..

1) Is in ring intelligence and pre-gameplan execution is 2nd to none not to mention his ability to adapt and adjust is on par with some of the Greats of the past 30 or so years.

2)His defense is top 5 of the past 30 years on par with Whitaker, Wright, Hopkins and Toney.. And none of these guys are on the level of transitioning their defense to offense as good as Floyd, to the degree that he is the quickest and most agile out of the bunch

3) His accuracey combined with speed dont make him a concussive puncher, but he is a sharp stinging puncher that makes ALL of his opponents leary of opening up as the fight progresses for fear of what Floyd will return with... Floyd busts his opponents up throwing half the amount of punches..

4) Floyds fast accurate punches get through holes in defense as well as defenses because of his pinpoint accuracey

5) Floyd is as resilient as they come he has displayed mental and physical toughness time and time again...

6) Floyd DOES NOT rely on athletic ability and reflexes 1st. He relies on technical savy and fundemantal brilliance foremost and then supplements with athletic ability, so if he wasnt at his physical peak for a fight it wouldnt be detrimental to him ALA Roy Jones.

7) Floyds boxing pedigree speaks for itself

Lyle,
you forget Floyd is no gonna sit there and let his opponent hit him with his hands down what makes Floyd the best is that he fights his own fight no matter what nor does he get rattled no matter the circumstance and he makes the added adjustments that are needed to prevail

I can go on and on but reasoning with you is like reasoning with a zip lock freezer bag