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So a minor event two thousand years ago in an age when the population was vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulable than today could be written any way you want five minutes after it happened. Fifty years later and it's guaranteed to contain as much truth as any fairy story, which is really all any religion is.
When asked if they should pay taxes to the Roman invaders, Jesus answered in this manner: he asked for a coin and asked who's image was on it, and the disciples answer Caesar. So Jesus answered, 'give to Caeser what belongs to him.'

In another case, Jesus was asked if a woman sinner should be stoned to death. He answered, 'let those without sin be the first to cast the stone,' and they all left because they were all sinners.

Frankly, I couldn't find anyone today who can answer such question with such intelligence and wit, not even Obama. So to use your line of reasoning, if there was such genius during those days when, as you say, population was 'vastly more uneducated/ignorant/credulous/manipulative,' then that person must have been a superhuman.

What I'm pointing out is that you can be certain that almost nothing in the New Testament ever happened the way it's described, even the crucifixion of somebody who was so superhuman that he could barely persuade twelve people to follow him in an age when there were hundreds of religions with thousands of followers each.


What made Christianity the market leader in religions was the Ray Kroc* guy/s, the man/men who took the crucifiction story and the carcass of one of hundreds of religions at that time and built the elaborate fairy tale of Christianity around it, creating the market-leading franchise we see today. Christianity was just another failed startup till the Kroc guy saw the potential in the crucifixion story and went about building the franchise.


The "let he who is without sin"/"give unto Caesar" bits have their equivalents in all the major world religions. Every religion has a big bunch of moral fables/parables etc. that show the wiseness and munificence of their particular god/s. Things that push the buttons in your head that make you think, yep, this is the religion for me. This, out of the thousands of different franchises available is the one I'm going to follow.

*Ray Kroc was the salesman who walked into a California restaurant run by the McDonald brothers, saw the potential, bought them out and built replica restaurants all over America, eventually creating the multinational we all know and love today.
From a physical standpoint or left hemishphere analytical view that is very close to what happened.
From the other side of what we are or can become there is more to it again and more sinister.
From the spiritual side that brought the message (through care and love extended) the sacred practices brought out into a form that all could finally understand without guilt ,fear or judgment if they only go natural and feel it, instead of think it all out.

The innner way home to who you really are was removed and disguised by the Roman Church so that fear shone out of the New testement, judgment and guilt.
These things are not of God,
but are of one side of the human mental /spititual makeup if the balancing side is lost to you.
They hid the way into that of side of you.
You will never find it on an external search.
(Like looking for love from someone else when your own love for you is missing)

The warnings from within scripture were turned into threats.
The warnings about just how far you can choose to fall yourself became threats so they could control you also.
The warnings about judgment became an excuse for why you can be judged in return instead of the simple warning that what you give out you also attract back to you.

These truths are still there but you have read below the lines that were juggeled to suit the conquers of the time who dumped their own religion because it was becomming unpopular for the growing Christian faith which they took on for themselves remoulded and then made a law to state that you have to practice it their way or your going to be executed by them!
This they have repeated through all history.

This same church now owns a country that is not answerable to any other country (Its the vatican).
They teach that God is outside of you and you have to go through them to get to him. False
They teach that you have to confess to them and they in Gods place will forgive you! false.
They teach that the Sabbath is Sunday instead of Saturday! more false teaching.
They are the wolves in sheeps clothing ,the ones dressed in scarlet that 'the revelations' warns you about.
There is only one way to meet your God and that is to go within yourself and search there. The ways to this they removed except for a few passages that they missed and accidently left in their book.