Question for the biblical religious

[pacfan]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

[Andre]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

We are Gods.
We are a part of ONE that chose to seperate and go forth so as to experience other energy forms from a diffenert point of view than just static "being".
The split and the new point of view origially being male /female, then reproducing which is where the sacred geometry expression of one plus one equals three comes from.
The triangle.The trinity. Father /mother/ son/ daughter >
Outwards growing yet expanding away from the ONE and out and out finally down and down into compressed light and love energy forming into dense matter within the 3rd dimension of one in billions of solar systems.
Parts of the real you couldnt make it here into this density.

If I say to you,there is a short cut home and you say to me "there is no home" and you refuse to turn around and keep going towards the seperation ,eventually ,soon actually, you will be swimming against the tide and life in which ever form you choose at that moment will be so hard.
Eventually because what you hold dear to you externally will (cease to be in that condition); you will have to look inwards within yourself instead of continuing your search outwards as the false religions still all state you must.
MAny people when they reach the end of a physical line of something and that part of their world dissapears see why it occured and they take its lead and they are free from it from that point on.

Its like all people in this density firstly search for love from others and are addicted to what they think is real love, love that they find out side of themsleves.

Real love is found within you and yours ,it never ceases because it is unconditional ;unless you emit hatred and make yourself spin in the reverse direction to the universal way then you are destroying you and yours and that can be addictive for a while.

External love that is found outside of you is found in many ways, it is smaller pieces of the truth and it is conditional love and cannot last outside of its own condition.

All of the answers are within all of us it just takes you to want to take the first step on the journey back away from the speration from your higher self. There are stages before the turn and one of them is disbeliving everything unless you can touch it. Another is hating One or even the thought of only One !

ONE plus one equals three cannot be comprehended by those who choose only to belive that one plus one can only ever add up to two;
All rules change interdimesionally there are no boundaries ,no definates, no conditions when you choose truth.

Your eyes will tell you that we spin around a sun and they will also tell you that it all revolves around a black hole.
Black holes are not what they seem from this low point of view and from this density or from the brain which is made from within this density. Our findings and measurments are only from one point of view and from a long way down from what we trully are.
,Choose you first .

[pacfan]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

We are Gods.
We are a part of ONE that chose to seperate and go forth so as to experience other energy forms from a diffenert point of view than just static "being".
The split and the new point of view origially being male /female, then reproducing which is where the sacred geometry expression of one plus one equals three comes from.
The triangle.The trinity. Father /mother/ son/ daughter >
Outwards growing yet expanding away from the ONE and out and out finally down and down into compressed light and love energy forming into dense matter within the 3rd dimension of one in billions of solar systems.
Parts of the real you couldnt make it here into this density.

If I say to you,there is a short cut home and you say to me "there is no home" and you refuse to turn around and keep going towards the seperation ,eventually ,soon actually, you will be swimming against the tide and life in which ever form you choose at that moment will be so hard.
Eventually because what you hold dear to you externally will (cease to be in that condition); you will have to look inwards within yourself instead of continuing your search outwards as the false religions still all state you must.
MAny people when they reach the end of a physical line of something and that part of their world dissapears see why it occured and they take its lead and they are free from it from that point on.

Its like all people in this density firstly search for love from others and are addicted to what they think is real love, love that they find out side of themsleves.

Real love is found within you and yours ,it never ceases because it is unconditional ;unless you emit hatred and make yourself spin in the reverse direction to the universal way then you are destroying you and yours and that can be addictive for a while.

External love that is found outside of you is found in many ways, it is smaller pieces of the truth and it is conditional love and cannot last outside of its own condition.

All of the answers are within all of us it just takes you to want to take the first step on the journey back away from the speration from your higher self. There are stages before the turn and one of them is disbeliving everything unless you can touch it. Another is hating One or even the thought of only One !

ONE plus one equals three cannot be comprehended by those who choose only to belive that one plus one can only ever add up to two;
All rules change interdimesionally there are no boundaries ,no definates, no conditions when you choose truth.

Your eyes will tell you that we spin around a sun and they will also tell you that it all revolves around a black hole.
Black holes are not what they seem from this low point of view and from this density or from the brain which is made from within this density. Our findings and measurments are only from one point of view and from a long way down from what we trully are.
,Choose you first .

Andre, nice thread. I'll make some comments here whenever I have some spare time. Just little busy for now.

[pacfan]

Let me intrude - sorry about that. I think God can work through evolution too. What I don't agree to is the idea of 'suvivor of the fittest.' If survivor of the fittest were the driving force for evolution, why not just evolve a super crocodile or even a super cockroach that can survive under most harsh conditions and which can just mindlessly gobble up any competing species - including 'pre-humanoids' so as to prevent the future 'bustards' from lording it over them and before those pre-humans can even think about putting them in a zoo. But why did it have to be human beings, or why did the evolution path choose the path of intelligence. Think about it, fellas. Believe me, if you think about it very deeply, you'll realize that it didn't have to be that way. But somehow, nature (or is it God?) chose the evolutional path of ultimately leading to intelligent beings, to reign over (and destroy - just kiddin' folks, let's relax a bit) the earth. I think whatever it is or Whoever it is, He wanted to ultimately create an intelligent being with feelings, consciousness, emotion, spirit, soul and more importantly, if not the most, conscience (although I have to admit many people has not 'evolved' that part yet and you know who) so as to put some meaning in this world. Farfetched? Just remember, everything in this world has meaning to it, even the evolution process itself, so is it not possible that we humans were ultimately created or evolved for some meaning or purpose. Think about it.

Besides, isn't this world or life itself boring and meaningless if we humans were ultimately meant to be consigned to nothiness? Is that all there is to it? All this thing called evolution? all that unimaginably painstaking process of continuous transformation from simple amino acids to magnificently complex beings called humans - beings that may still be evolving into 'super-beings,' just to be relegated to nothingness and eventually be completely wiped out with the inevitable end of the world? Or am I just harboring some grand illusion and pursuing some phantom dreams? Think about it folks. Besides, weren't we given intelligent mind to ponder upon these things than just thoughlessly be resigned to doom. Definitely not me, I'm gonna go out to this world with a firm belief and the feeling that this world is beautiful and that there must be a reason for all the beauty and magnificence in this world...
...and be happy - that's all that matters to me.

[brucelee]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

This post deserves more than a thousand reps. reps on your way based on my full ability.

[Kirkland Laing]

Andre and Pacfan, god bless both of you.

Humans are hardwired to want to believe in some kind of god or creator no matter what the evidence is to suggest otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[pacfan]

Andre and Pacfan, God bless both of you.

Humans are hardwired to want to believe in some kind of god or creator no matter what the evidence is to suggest otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Fair enough, brod. At least we can disagree without being disagreeable, or without losing our cool. So for that, you'll get a rep from me.

[pacfan]

There isn't a god, just a lot of people who believe in various gods. Recently we got so developed that we could work out how we got here and it's nothing to do with any big ghost in the sky. If our planet was orbiting a little closer or a little further away from the sun we'd be a barren planet and life on earth would never have existed. We're evolved organic matter. We're born and eventually we die. End of story.

That's because we humans are made to percieve and think in a limited way. If there was a God, naturally He should be someone who is infinitely more complicated than us and therefore not within the grasp of our limited mind. Our physical mind is basically made to perceive only what is necessary for our survivor. It is the mind that says, 'there ain't no god 'cause can't see him;' it is the mind that says,'plant grows out of the ground because the dna in the seeds helps certain chemical reactions to occur...' etc., etc., and dismisses everything we can't explain as just being 'natural.' But you see, this tiny mind of ours - and yours is no exception, kirk - fails to ask what drives those plants to shoot out of the ground, or what drives all creatures to recreate or procreate itself. There must be some force that drives them, that life force. Our limited mind tends to dismiss everything we can't explain with a convenient catch-all phrase, 'cause it's natural, but ask yourself what is natural. So you see, there is this unseen life force that propel every life in this world, never mind if it only works under certain condition. So what is this life force that so loves life? As I've pointed out in my blogs, it's must be one form of energy emanating from somewhere, and as I've pointed out there, everything in this world is basically an energy and the universe itself is one big pulsating blob of energy. And our thought that direct our ways is itself an energy and so is it not possible that there is some universal thought or mind, that universal control center, that loves to create life, that direct all the activities in this world? that naturally must be complicated beyond our imagination? Could this be God? or could He be God?

By the way kirk, I love your avatar.

This post deserves more than a thousand reps. reps on your way based on my full ability.

Thanks very much, pare. Actually, I can do much better if I had more time but like most people here, just can't find enough spare time for it. I hope I did.