i love calzaghe but......

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blameing frank warren yeah is a valid answer but surely calzaghe has to take blame to, he should have demanded better fights, and gone to vegas years ago

i just feel he wasted his time doing what he did and with it wasted his talent.

german great sven ottka made 21 defence of his ibf ( later adding the wba as well ) titles
he beat charles brewer twice who calzahge told us was true world class when he fought years later. glen johson who calzaghe twice pulled out of fighting then pulled out compleatly. Anthony Mundine. Byron Mitchell, who again calzaghe said was world class american when he fought him. and Robin Reid, one of joes toughest fights

thats 21 title defences charles brewer, glen johson, Anthony Mundine, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid..........why doesn't that hold any water, why isnt sven classed as good as calzaghe, why oh why did calzaghe refuse to fight sven

calzaghe has to carry the balme for the lack of respect he gets

Because Sven Ottke didn't even deserve most of those decision. Ottke has got so many gift decisions its ridiculous, his fight against Reid was just a joke. Thats one of the worst robberies i've ever seen.

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that maybe true, but on paper he's a 21 defence unbeaten world champion, and i'm sure our friends in germany who are big fans of his are just a defences of sven as joes fans are of him in the uk, my point is to many sven is a nothing fighter who fought at home against decent guys.......................in many way the same as joe.............i dont rate sven just like you dont so why should i hold calzaghe in such high reguard and sven as rubbish. im not saying ottka is better or as good as joe, but on paper the facts read he's no different really

you have to blame joe for his lack of respect from people, like i said earlier he even refused to fight ottka when he could have beat him and become undisbuted super middle champ years earlier then when he did, at that point i really lost respect for him

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that maybe true, but on paper he's a 21 defence unbeaten world champion, and i'm sure our friends in germany who are big fans of his are just a defences of sven as joes fans are of him in the uk, my point is to many sven is a nothing fighter who fought at home against decent guys.......................in many way the same as joe.............i dont rate sven just like you dont so why should i hold calzaghe in such high reguard and sven as rubbish. im not saying ottka is better or as good as joe, but on paper the facts read he's no different really

you have to blame joe for his lack of respect from people, like i said earlier he even refused to fight ottka when he could have beat him and become undisbuted super middle champ years earlier then when he did, at that point i really lost respect for him

I don't think Sven is rubbish i think he is a good fighter and slightly underrated by some people, i think if we are just talking about there Super Middleweight defenses then Calzaghe has the edge with his victories over Kessler, Eubank, etc which he did in style. I just never could hold Sven in the same class as Calzaghe based on Sven's gift decisions which you just cannot ignore. I mean you could make a case he should have at least 4 losses on his record.