Question for the biblical religious

[Kirkland Laing]

It still awaits explination "How do you get something from nothing?"


And doesn't science tell us to question everything so by that rational you have to question science itself along with other things like religion or else you just end up with a different form of religion and one that doesn't provide ANY moral values or guidelines.


So when I question this "Man Made Global Warming" I'm doing the right thing....blindly accepting that is no different than blindly accepting any form of religion. Sure you have some stuff that says there MAY BE man made global warming but it's never 100% positive, there is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS a loophole and an acception to what any study finds

Science does tell us to question everything. You can question specific viewpoints and data regarding any scientific subject but this doesn't automatically mean that "science" is questionable. Really Lyle, it's not like you to make a third-grade argument.

[El Kabong]

Hey brother even evolution is a THEORY and what's a theory

Webster's Dictionary defines a theory as:


1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2: abstract thought : speculation

3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption :

[Kirkland Laing]

So are gravity and electromagnetic theory. That's because, although there's endless evidence to show that our observations and calculations of gravity and electricity are correct, it may be, for instance, that Jesus's tears come down from heaven and invisibly insert themselves in the gravitational/electrical process. Because we can't rule out every possible alternative then gravity and electricity have to remain theories, like evolution.

Lyle, you could spend your entire life studying stuff we already discovered about evolution and still only scratch the surface of our current knowledge. The evidence is vast and overwhelming. Only in parts of America is it even questioned.

[El Kabong]

So are gravity and electromagnetic theory. That's because, although there's endless evidence to show that our observations and calculations of gravity and electricity are correct, it may be, for instance, that Jesus's tears come down from heaven and invisibly insert themselves in the gravitational/electrical process. Because we can't rule out every possible alternative then gravity and electricity have to remain theories, like evolution.

Lyle, you could spend your entire life studying stuff we already discovered about evolution and still only scratch the surface of our current knowledge. The evidence is vast and overwhelming. Only in parts of America is it even questioned.

Hey Newton has a LAW for gravity....a THEORY is a THEORY might I remind you that there used to be a lot of theories which are now obsolete.

Superseded scientific theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So today's FACT is tomorrow's FICTION in a lot of cases...I'm not saying everything is wrong in science, I am just saying I like to question things

[Kirkland Laing]

You can have laws within theories Lyle.

History of gravitational theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly, a guy at MIT has just rewritten part of the quantum field theory. But the whole thing is still only theoretical.

[El Kabong]

Well there you go, you just proved a point for me

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, then.

[brucelee]

It still awaits explination "How do you get something from nothing?"


And doesn't science tell us to question everything so by that rational you have to question science itself along with other things like religion or else you just end up with a different form of religion and one that doesn't provide ANY moral values or guidelines.


So when I question this "Man Made Global Warming" I'm doing the right thing....blindly accepting that is no different than blindly accepting any form of religion. Sure you have some stuff that says there MAY BE man made global warming but it's never 100% positive, there is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS a loophole and an acception to what any study finds

Science does tell us to question everything. You can question specific viewpoints and data regarding any scientific subject but this doesn't automatically mean that "science" is questionable. Really Lyle, it's not like you to make a third-grade argument.

Like I said, the issue on the existence of God will be fully realized by the test of time. For the mean time, I will choose to believe in God rather than on scientific discussions/discoveries/theories which are in themselves still doubtful of validity.

Unless science can fully and exactly explain the order of things on this earth, I am of the conviction that there really is God who manages the complexities of this world.

[:::PSL:::]

John 18:37

"...for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

[Dark Lord Al]

John 18:37

"...for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."

AL 18:37

"......and all those with their own mind and head not up their ass , dont listen to John or any other of the magical religious control-ism bullshit ".

And there ends my thought for the day.

[El Kabong]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

[Dark Lord Al]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

[luvfightgame]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

Al,

This is exactly why evolution isn't and can't be considered science. First off proving or disproving whether there is a God doesn't prove evolution. See evolution always has an agenda and is trying to prove it by forcing the facts into a preconceived notion. Proving that evolution doesn't exist doesn't prove there is a God either. It simply eliminates a possibility.

Your argument is the exact reason I keep posting in this thread. You claim that evolution makes sense, but I am quite sure you don't know very much about it or you wouldn't make that argument. It is a very poorly constructed theory and uses assumptions to support it rather than observations or tests. It is a philosophy plain and simple. No evidence for evolution exists, the only reason it is widely proposed and accepted is because the alternative is God and that is completely unacceptable for science. Here's a couple quotes from evolutionists....

“We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”
-Biochemist, Franklin M. Harold

"After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort could not be proved to take place today, had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past." Loren Eiseley, Ph.D. Anthropology, The Immense Journey, Random House, NY, 1957, p. 199

The thing about evolution is that it makes sense if you listen to the general idea and don't look closely at the details. If you examine them closely you will see it doesn't make much sense. The evolution of a single process would be miraculous let alone thousands of them working in synchronization. Think of the systems required to support life just internally, not even counting the environment. The main idea goes back to a single celled life form.

I dare you to do a little research on a single celled life form and still explain to me how simple it is to have developed on its own. A single cell still has more moving parts and is more complicated than the computer you are reading this on. Check it out on your own.

[El Kabong]

Freedom of thought is one thing in life , but fairy tales from all around the world . Well each to their own i guess.
But you ever wonder if you have a jewish friend and you are say muslim or christian , one of you if not all of you are wrong in what you believe ?
OR FOR CONVIENIENCE IS THERE LOTS OF " GOD'S " MAYBE THEY SUBCONTRACTED THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ?

Your opinion is fine Lyle but for me it doesnt come close to adding up , or making any sence what so ever.
Evolution is how life is created - sun - water natural elements not some guy sat on a cloud.

What started everything out? You don't think it's freaking amazing that we had single cell orgamisms that were living beings? How many of the other planets in our Solar System have that??

Al if you bothered to check out what Joseph Campbell had to say maybe your eyes would be opened...he knew about ALL religions and compared and contrasted them and found out they usually all say the same thing which is un-freaking-believeable considering the travelling being so difficult and everything.

[Andre]

Al had a thought for the day



ALERT THE MEDIA!



Al there's nothing wrong with being spiritual or believing in the Bible or Jesus or whatever religion you want to mention but once organized religion takes over you're in trouble. All Organized religion is The New Roman Empire, The Persian Empire (Shia Muslims), The Arab Empire (Sunni Muslims) and so on and so forth....it's the same thing just in a different more accepted package.

I advocate thinking for yourself and using any scripture to learn about a different more peaceful way of thinking and being.

Doh, I have to spread rep around !

Well said Mate,couldnt agree more.
But there is more in all the scriptures if you wish to explore even on creation and evolution both are correct its a blend ;the real pathways back wasnt completly hidden either if you care to seek them.

All the bible bashers recon they are off to Heaven from one belife ,(CHristians number iin their millions) when in the bible it also states only 130,000 will be accending this next time around. It also states that if you are so much as luke warm you will be spat from the mouth of Christ etc.
Whats 3 million minus 130,000 ? MAybe the Good books creator accidently left a digit out...

IT isnt just cut and dried there are many ways ,many groups,many destinations in many dimensions and many personal choices to either decend or to accend its not just one road up and the same one down (can be if you choose it).
It isnt just heaven and hell with Earth stuck in the middle we are on a muti-dimentional playing field,we in truth are a ball in space amongst trillions of others, some alive, some dormant, some dieing off, others being born, or transmuted, there is no real up and no real down to any of it from our physical stand point.
There is a black hole that spins like a plug hole and our whole solar system is heading slowly towards it. From our set of rules it looks devestating cause we cant exist there as our light disappears into it and appears to be consumed by it. Light speed is eternal ! it is not constant out there as we have measured it to be here.