Joe Calzaghe now no. 3 in Ring Mag's latest P4P rankings

Floyd is easily the most gifted fighter today. I do consider him #1 P4P but he should be dropped soon because of his inactivity and his unwillingness to fight the better fighters in his division. I could just imagine how crazy this forum would get if he was ever knocked out of the top spot.

Other than what I just said, to get back on topic, I think Joe should be #4 right behind Juan Manuel Marquez. That's just my opinion...

So who deserves to be ahead of Calzaghe besides Floyd and Pac? JMM? He just lost to Pac. Hopkins? Obviously not, Calzaghe just beat him. Vazquez? He got stopped just three fights ago.

Calzaghe is where he should be at #3 IMO.

Originally Posted by caleoh12

Other than what I just said, to get back on topic, I think Joe should be #4 right behind Juan Manuel Marquez. That's just my opinion...

JMM just lost to Pac (controversial I know, but thats the official ruling). Calzaghe just beat Bhop. How can JMM be ahead of Calzaghe? P4P rankings are very compeditive, if you lose a fight you drop down.

He should be #2.

1. PBF
2. Joe
3. Paq
4. JM Marquez
5. BHOP

I got Joe at number 5.

Pac scored 5 wins against 3 future HOFers, 10 KDs and 3 KOs combined.

Calzaghe got floored by a 43 year old future HOFer, and won by SD. I have no problem with him being in #3. But to those people who says he should take Pac's place are just being rediculous.

Btw, Miguel Cotto should be at #4, and Israel Vazquez at 5.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Pac scored 5 wins against 3 future HOFers, 10 KDs and 3 KOs combined.

Calzaghe got floored by a 43 year old future HOFer, and won by SD. I have no problem with him being in #3. But to those people who says he should take Pac's place are just being rediculous.

Btw, Miguel Cotto should be at #4, and Israel Vazquez at 5.

I agree with you there mate:

1 floyd
2 pac
3 joe
4 cotto
5 vazquez

Of course though i think it can change around in a year or 18 months.

What defines the 'greatest fighter' is not where they are in the p4p list but where they retire in the p4p list and what their record says.

If this scenario occurs (and i can see it happening).

Floyd continuously avoids cotto and marg, fights ODLH and a rematch against hatton (fuk knows what hes doing a rematch for in england because nothing hatton did warrants a rematch at all, unless i guess you could say that it was what the ref did which gives the rematch some slight legitamacy), still i can see floyd winning the rematch...but then he might lose to cotto!

If floyd loses to cotto, yet calzaghe beats RJJ and beats pavlik...id have to alter the p4p list to:

1 joe
2 cotto
3 floyd
4 manny
5 vazquez

Of course though, should manny go on to beat 2 more class fighter it would then put manny at the top of the list:

1 manny
2 joe
3 cotto
4 floyd
5 vazquez

So over the next year or 18 months it is possible that we see some changes in the list. Personally i believe its joe's goal to retire as p4p number 1.

I think joe is waiting for pavlik to fight and unite the middle weight velts against abrahams first (because this puts pavlik undisputed and also higher in the p4p list) then will want to fight him in his last fight which will put him at the very top of the list.

Im not interested in what haters think, not interested in the garbage that spews from some people's mouths, im interested in records and performance...that fact is that if JC beats RJJ and pavlik he then has beaten eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, RJJ and pavlik, with those quality opponents relinguished and a 47,0,0 record, there is no other place to put him than number 1.

It all depends what happens with floyd though aswell i guess, should floyd beat cotto, marg and ODLH (and rematch with hatton which i think he will) then he remains number 1 in my eyes.

Either way, the chances are there for both joe and floyd to go down in history in the top 5 greatest fighters of the last 25 years!

BUT CAN THEY DO IT

Have to wait n see

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Pac scored 5 wins against 3 future HOFers, 10 KDs and 3 KOs combined.

Calzaghe got floored by a 43 year old future HOFer, and won by SD. I have no problem with him being in #3. But to those people who says he should take Pac's place are just being rediculous.

Btw, Miguel Cotto should be at #4, and Israel Vazquez at 5.

I agree. Cotto should be in number 4. Hopkins in number 7.

I would put him at 4 but to be honest, I've really soured on these P4P deals, do not like them much at all anymore. It seems like splitting hairs and pointless to compare fighters from different weight divisions and the lack of criteria really turned me off these.

Originally Posted by amat

I would put him at 4 but to be honest, I've really soured on these P4P deals, do not like them much at all anymore. It seems like splitting hairs and pointless to compare fighters from different weight divisions and the lack of criteria really turned me off these.

I have the same problem with p4p lists - no clear criteria for determining the rankings. They mean completely diffrent things for different people.

These lists are usually sh1te, but for those who say Joe doesn't deserve his place, can you tell us what more he can do and who else he has to beat.

Everybody said he must fight Lacy - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight Kessler - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight B-Hop - he fought and beat him

Regardless of what you think of his earlier career, he has fought the top 3 guys (whatever you think of Lacy with hindsight) that he could possibly have fought, if that doesn't deserve his status in the p4p list what does?

Even VD has him at number 5 FFS

Joes is top 5 p4p whatever anyone says - he has the evidence to back it up. Mayweather is without doubt #1, after that you could argue between Joe, Manny, Marquez etc.. as to who deserves the 2 slot (Let's not forget that Joe is only one unbeaten ). All would be valid cases.

Those who say he shouldn't be anywhere near the top ten then sorry but you don't know boxing.

With a record of 45-0 (and it certainly isn't a say Darius Mizchaelzewski or Brian Nielsen pumped up type record is it) how can anyone argue otheriwse. He is 4 wins off the greatest record of all time (and I am not talking about Los Del Rio's 'Macarena' here)

Him and Mayweather are only long standing champs unbeaten - Cotto and Pavlik may join them in time, who knows...

What does Joe have to do now to prove his doubters wrong ? Pavlik or Jones arfe only real options

He is well worthy of the #3 p4p slot

Originally Posted by BIG H

These lists are usually sh1te, but for those who say Joe doesn't deserve his place, can you tell us what more he can do and who else he has to beat.

Everybody said he must fight Lacy - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight Kessler - he fought and beat him
Everybody said he must fight B-Hop - he fought and beat him

Regardless of what you think of his earlier career, he has fought the top 3 guys (whatever you think of Lacy with hindsight) that he could possibly have fought, if that doesn't deserve his status in the p4p list what does?

Even VD has him at number 5 FFS

Number 5 is where he belongs

In my opinion , i think that Joe need to do more for be classified in the Top 10 P4P , probably we will place him , but cmon not in the Top , he just came yesterday to fight with the Best of the World in US , in where have the most of Best Boxers of the World in his Div.......

THAT IS MY OPINION AND I RESPECT YOURS.......