Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

[donnydarkoIRL]

No one tries to argue that Jones is the greatest MW, so why say he was the greatest SMW?

That's because middleweight has featured fighters like Robinson and Hagler, who are historically greater than Jones by any measure. There's no legit claim for Jones as the greatest middleweight ever.

There's an arguement that there's no case for SRR as greatest Middleweight either.

Not nitpicking, just thinking aloud.

[Dark Lord Al]

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.

[southakron314]

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.

He beat guy's like Toney and Hopkins in their primes at times when they were consider along some of the all time greats in that class. He was totally dominate. He would flat out embarrass people with his speed and power. Something Calzaghe only has one of.

[Tins06]

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.

He beat guy's like Toney and Hopkins in their primes at times when they were consider along some of the all time greats in that class. He was totally dominate. He would flat out embarrass people with his speed and power. Something Calzaghe only has one of.

He beat Hopkins at mw..so got nothing to do with the thread. And Calzaghe had plenty of power but he has constant hand problems wich is why he slaps now..IMO that makes his reign more impressive considering what he has acheived with that problem.

[southakron314]

Calzaghe has made more defences of the SM division yes.
As for him beating Roy Jones or James Toney , dont be silly
a 43 year old Hopkins took him to a close verdict ,Lacy and Kessler are nothing compared to Jones and Toney.
Calzaghe spent his prime fighting nobodies.

He is not an all time great , sorry Calzaghe fans but history will tell you this in years to come.

He beat guy's like Toney and Hopkins in their primes at times when they were consider along some of the all time greats in that class. He was totally dominate. He would flat out embarrass people with his speed and power. Something Calzaghe only has one of.

He beat Hopkins at mw..so got nothing to do with the thread. And Calzaghe had plenty of power but he has constant hand problems wich is why he slaps now..IMO that makes his reign more impressive considering what he has acheived with that problem.

And Calzaghe "beat" Hopkins at Middle Weight so I guess that has nothing to do with it.

[southakron314]

Who has Calzaghe fought at super middle? What!! Lacy, Manfredo, Reid......come one.

[SalTheButcher]

Who has Calzaghe fought at super middle? What!! Lacy, Manfredo, Reid......come one.

dont forget mitchell

calzaghe fans tend to mention mitchell as an impressive win cuz he dropped calzaghe, they pretend mitchell is great so it makes calzaghe almost getting KOd by him seem less embarrassing



seriously, roy jones is one of the greatest of all time, calzaghe doesnt even know how to throw a punch and he lost to a 43 year old hopkins

[zhubin]

Who has Calzaghe fought at super middle? What!! Lacy, Manfredo, Reid......come one.

Exactly. I think Joe is the most overrated fighter in recent memory. But i guess some people are impressed by his "flurries", "fast hands" or his underwhelming resume. I only wish he fought Roy at his prime...Jones would have embarrassed him. I have nothing against Joe personally...he seems like a nice guy. But aside from a past prime Eubanks (close fight) and a past prime Hopkins (close fight)...he hasn't fought a great opponent. So i don't care if you are 100-0. Ultimately a fighter is judged by his resume...and Joe's looks mighty thin. Whether that's his fault or not is beside the point. Sure, Roy fought a whole lot less at SMW...but he had the greater impact. By impact i mean we have never seen a fighter with his incredible athleticism or skills at that weight...or maybe any weight. Plus, even if Roy's biggest win was over a PRIME Toney...that is still a much bigger win than anyone Calzaghe fought at that weight.