i dont think ottka is the best the supermiddle division has seen and nither does many others esp joe calzaghe fans


1) i brought sven ottka in to the debate because he'd spent years as champ like joe

2) because he made 21 defences, just like joe, beating some of the same fighters as joe

3) he fought on home soil, never wanting to leave home, just like joe(take away the b-hop fight at light heavy)

4) he's as big a star in germany as joe is in wales

so if ottka isn't considered anywhere near the best then why do calzaghe fans insist there guy is so much better, tarnishing ottka as low level esp as they both turned down the chance to fight each other ( nither would go to the others country, and a nuetral ground couldnt be set up either, both it seems wanted home advantage)

roy jones and james toney would beat both at super middle with style