Calzaghe Throwing Away Greatness ?

[:::PSL:::]

He must atleast defeat Pavlik and RJJr to cement his legacy.

[HattonTheHammer]

He must atleast defeat Pavlik and RJJr to cement his legacy.

jones jr??

someone who hasnt K0`d an opponent for 6 years. has a record of 3-3 since then and is now nothing more than a showhorse needing to be taken to stud.

Hopkins had the potential to beat JC, Jones jr wouldnt even have a fighting chance of getting anything other than a very big points loss.

I for one would not be ordering that on PPV as i would if it were pavlik/dawson/miranda!!

[littlebif]

Jones is past his prime but he still has the speed with his right hand to cause Joe some problems.I can see Joe stopping Jones late on.

As for Pavlik he can be out boxed and gets fustrated we saw that against Taylor in the seconds fight although he did find away to win. Calzaghe is a better boxer than JT so iam picking Joe by ud in this fight.

[Master]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

[luvfightgame]

Pavlik would be great. Miranda, ok. Jones I don't really care. Tarver not impressed.

Tarver is too much mouth, not enough action. I would rather he fight Glen Johnson. He doesn't just need the big names. He could fight a lower name that's risky. Also he needs a few more in U.S. and he could finish with a soft one at home, get a ko and hang em up. Storybook career.

[Kev]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

[Dark Lord Al]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Bilbo if you dont consider Rocky a great then thats fine , but it doesnt make a guy who fought in a joke division and beat 3 good fighters a great either.

[Master]

Bilbo Relax! I never said Rocky was a great.

[Markusdarkus]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Bilbo if you dont consider Rocky a great then thats fine , but it doesnt make a guy who fought in a joke division and beat 3 good fighters a great either.

Was Rockys run in the Heavyweight division better than Calzaghes at 168?

Its fanboyism, the guy can punch ergo yay hes great.

[ssss]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

[Markusdarkus]

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

ok its no secret i'm not a fan of calzaghes as is seen with all the things i've said about him on here.

i think he should retire soon, he's not lost which has always been his main goal, he's not built as record full of great names but has held a title for more then 10 years, at this point he seems only interested in fighting 40 year olds which won't give him the respect he wants. he could have been a much bigger name years ago had he just done things different. he has been great for british boxing, he's given us some decent fights in the last 2 years, has been a great role model as far as his image is concerned i dont ever remember him being in the headlines for any bad behavier.

best thing i feel is for him to have his one last fight and call it a day, the old saying goes once a fighter talks about retirement........ he's already retired in his mind, pushing it and you'll most prob come unstuck

[:::PSL:::]

He must atleast defeat Pavlik and RJJr to cement his legacy.

jones jr??

someone who hasnt K0`d an opponent for 6 years. has a record of 3-3 since then and is now nothing more than a showhorse needing to be taken to stud.

Hopkins had the potential to beat JC, Jones jr wouldnt even have a fighting chance of getting anything other than a very big points loss.

I for one would not be ordering that on PPV as i would if it were pavlik/dawson/miranda!!

Well I guess that's remain to be seen. But I for sure imo, Calzaghe is difinitely not an all-time great (yet).