Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

[Fenster]

if you talk about calzaghe you have to talk about german legend sven ottka who made 21 world title defence at super middle and was undefeated just like joe, he's practicly the same as calzaghe except he held the much more recordnizied wba and ibf belts........he wanted a fight with joe to see who is the best but calzaghe turned it down, so in my opin you have to put him on the table.......... im not saying ottka is the best, but if joe is ranked that high then you must have ottka there to

When you make blatant lies like this do you think people will actually believe you?

get your facts straight buddy before calling someone a lier IM A BIT DISSAPOINTED A PERSON WITH YOUR REP JUMPS THE GUN SO QUICKLY FENSTER BUT I QUESS THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO US ALL MATE..........CALZAGHE EVEN MENTIONES IT IN A RING MAGAZINE INTERVIEW THAT OTTKA WANTED A FIGHT BUT IN GERMAN WHILE JOE WANTED IT IN WALES, THERE BOTH HOME FIGHTER YOU UNDERSTAND

OK Buster. As njackets said - how exactly does that mean Calzaghe was ducking powderpuff Ottke?

Ottke was making millions getting favourable decisions in Germany. Why would he fight Calzaghe?

Here's a few things for you -

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Ottke spurns Calzaghe

Even Ottke's trainer, Ulli Wegner, said Ottke DID NOT want to fight Calzaghe.

Whether you believe it or not here's a Warren quote - "We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

[NUCLEAR BULL]

When you make blatant lies like this do you think people will actually believe you?

get your facts straight buddy before calling someone a lier IM A BIT DISSAPOINTED A PERSON WITH YOUR REP JUMPS THE GUN SO QUICKLY FENSTER BUT I QUESS THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO US ALL MATE..........CALZAGHE EVEN MENTIONES IT IN A RING MAGAZINE INTERVIEW THAT OTTKA WANTED A FIGHT BUT IN GERMAN WHILE JOE WANTED IT IN WALES, THERE BOTH HOME FIGHTER YOU UNDERSTAND

OK Buster. As njackets said - how exactly does that mean Calzaghe was ducking powderpuff Ottke?

Ottke was making millions getting favourable decisions in Germany. Why would he fight Calzaghe?

Here's a few things for you -

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Ottke spurns Calzaghe

Even Ottke's trainer, Ulli Wegner, said Ottke DID NOT want to fight Calzaghe.

Whether you believe it or not here's a Warren quote - "We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

your right i dont believe any thing frank warren says, any time he speaks its that he made a career high offer......he has a rep for not being overly honest when it comes to these things

there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

[Violent Demise]

get your facts straight buddy before calling someone a lier IM A BIT DISSAPOINTED A PERSON WITH YOUR REP JUMPS THE GUN SO QUICKLY FENSTER BUT I QUESS THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO US ALL MATE..........CALZAGHE EVEN MENTIONES IT IN A RING MAGAZINE INTERVIEW THAT OTTKA WANTED A FIGHT BUT IN GERMAN WHILE JOE WANTED IT IN WALES, THERE BOTH HOME FIGHTER YOU UNDERSTAND

OK Buster. As njackets said - how exactly does that mean Calzaghe was ducking powderpuff Ottke?

Ottke was making millions getting favourable decisions in Germany. Why would he fight Calzaghe?

Here's a few things for you -

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Ottke spurns Calzaghe

Even Ottke's trainer, Ulli Wegner, said Ottke DID NOT want to fight Calzaghe.

Whether you believe it or not here's a Warren quote - "We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

your right i dont believe any thing frank warren says, any time he speaks its that he made a career high offer......he has a rep for not being overly honest when it comes to these things

there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

Yeah, yeah. I read the same interview.

[Fenster]

get your facts straight buddy before calling someone a lier IM A BIT DISSAPOINTED A PERSON WITH YOUR REP JUMPS THE GUN SO QUICKLY FENSTER BUT I QUESS THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO US ALL MATE..........CALZAGHE EVEN MENTIONES IT IN A RING MAGAZINE INTERVIEW THAT OTTKA WANTED A FIGHT BUT IN GERMAN WHILE JOE WANTED IT IN WALES, THERE BOTH HOME FIGHTER YOU UNDERSTAND

OK Buster. As njackets said - how exactly does that mean Calzaghe was ducking powderpuff Ottke?

Ottke was making millions getting favourable decisions in Germany. Why would he fight Calzaghe?

Here's a few things for you -

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Ottke spurns Calzaghe

Even Ottke's trainer, Ulli Wegner, said Ottke DID NOT want to fight Calzaghe.

Whether you believe it or not here's a Warren quote - "We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

your right i dont believe any thing frank warren says, any time he speaks its that he made a career high offer......he has a rep for not being overly honest when it comes to these things

there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

1. Calzaghe is FAR from being my favourite boxer. Fact.

2. I only get angry and take things personal in the "real" world. Fact.

3. You were clearly misinformed. So I apologise for calling you a liar

[Violent Demise]

OK Buster. As njackets said - how exactly does that mean Calzaghe was ducking powderpuff Ottke?

Ottke was making millions getting favourable decisions in Germany. Why would he fight Calzaghe?

Here's a few things for you -

BBC SPORT | Boxing | Ottke spurns Calzaghe

Even Ottke's trainer, Ulli Wegner, said Ottke DID NOT want to fight Calzaghe.

Whether you believe it or not here's a Warren quote - "We made two career high offers to Ottke's camp to fight in Germany, even though we'd seen what had happened with (Robin) Reid and (Charles) Brewer. Both were refused without any negotiation. That told me all I needed to know." - Frank Warren

your right i dont believe any thing frank warren says, any time he speaks its that he made a career high offer......he has a rep for not being overly honest when it comes to these things

there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

1. Calzaghe is FAR from being my favourite boxer. Fact.

2. I only get angry and take things personal in the "real" world. Fact.

3. You were clearly misinformed. So I apologise for calling you a liar

1. Calzaghe is your favorite person in the world. Fact

2. You can't get angry when you know your wrong. Fact

3. I got nothing for number 3.

[Fenster]

your right i dont believe any thing frank warren says, any time he speaks its that he made a career high offer......he has a rep for not being overly honest when it comes to these things

there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

1. Calzaghe is FAR from being my favourite boxer. Fact.

2. I only get angry and take things personal in the "real" world. Fact.

3. You were clearly misinformed. So I apologise for calling you a liar

1. Calzaghe is your favorite person in the world. Fact

2. You can't get angry when you know your wrong. Fact

3. I got nothing for number 3.

1. Calzaghe is only my favourite person when educating you on his career. Fact.

2. That don't make sense. Fact.

3. Like all things VD.. Nothingness

[Violent Demise]

1. Calzaghe is FAR from being my favourite boxer. Fact.

2. I only get angry and take things personal in the "real" world. Fact.

3. You were clearly misinformed. So I apologise for calling you a liar

1. Calzaghe is your favorite person in the world. Fact

2. You can't get angry when you know your wrong. Fact

3. I got nothing for number 3.

1. Calzaghe is only my favourite person when educating you on his career. Fact.

2. That don't make sense. Fact.

3. Like all things VD.. Nothingness

Boo, boo. I expected more

[Fenster]

1. Calzaghe is your favorite person in the world. Fact

2. You can't get angry when you know your wrong. Fact

3. I got nothing for number 3.

1. Calzaghe is only my favourite person when educating you on his career. Fact.

2. That don't make sense. Fact.

3. Like all things VD.. Nothingness

Boo, boo. I expected more

I need better material from you then. Fact.

[njackets]

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there was a interview where calzaghe says they wanted him to fight ottka in german, his reponse was...... brewer got robbed out there, and that even muhammed ali wouldn't get a points win in germany so he choose to not take the fight stating he didn't need to as he'd win due to ottkas lack of ability and it wouldn't prove anything.............i quess he felt he couldn't stop powder puff ottka

thats typical of joe, says one thing then later says another, just think back to the b-hop fight...........he said whos hopkins beaten...tarver, well whos tarver whats he ever done to be classed a big win... later he said after he beats hopkins he wants one more super fight and that would be roy jones or tarver, thats the same tarver he was putting doen earlier, you see waht i'm saying.............so i find it hard when him and warren talk to take them honestly. everyone has there own views. i've never called anyone lier on here, and have no reason to lie myself, a gain 000000000000000 from any of it weather he fights someone or not, i'm a fan of many boxer, if they win or lose it make no dif to me, i'm not a gambler so i gain no money nor lose it so have no need to lie about what i know or what i've read or watched a boxer say, just because i say something i heard your favorite boxer say which you dont like doesn't mean i'm saying about you so you shouldn't take it personal and get angry therefore call me or anyone else a lier

2 b fair,thats a bit of a climb down from when yv been saying Joe outright would'nt fight Ottka.I knew myself there were circumstances behind it,but never knew the finer details,can u hounestly blame Joe 4 not wanting 2 go out 2 Germany?! Still dont know how u can put there reigns at SMW on the same level,did Ottka ever get anywere near a P4P list?! Granted there were better Boxers around at the time of Ottka prime,but even if he was around now,you'd have 2 b very generous 2 put him near a P4P list!