David Haye Confronts Klitschko

[El Kabong]

He needs to be as special as Ross "The Boss" Purrity and his twenty losses. Just because he's the best at the minute doesn't mean he's any good.

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

[Kirkland Laing]

He needs to be as special as Ross "The Boss" Purrity and his twenty losses. Just because he's the best at the minute doesn't mean he's any good.

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

[El Kabong]

He needs to be as special as Ross "The Boss" Purrity and his twenty losses. Just because he's the best at the minute doesn't mean he's any good.

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

I suppose if Wlad beats the life out of Haye then all of a sudden Haye will be a "tomato can"


Kirkland, you demand a lot from a champion considering your favorite fighter did jack crap...he beat one guy by split decision and ooooh he's such a cult hero

[HattonTheHammer]

Why do people keep going on about wladimir struggling against the "heavy hitters"??

This is heavyweight for gods sake, everybody in the division packs a mean punch and whether your a world champion ukranian or a 25-3 journeymen from kazhakstan you`ll always be capable of knocking your opponent out with one big shot.

As said before this fight would be a 55/45 for me with only Wlads potential to paw his opponent with the jab for 12 rounds making him the very slightest of favourites.

But in reality, thompson, povetkin, haye, peter, rahman, klitschko, maskaev - theyre all capable of being heavyweight champion of the world on their day because they all have the ability to knock someone out with one punch!!

[El Kabong]

Why do people keep going on about wladimir struggling against the "heavy hitters"??

This is heavyweight for gods sake, everybody in the division packs a mean punch and whether your a world champion ukranian or a 25-3 journeymen from kazhakstan you`ll always be capable of knocking your opponent out with one big shot.

As said before this fight would be a 55/45 for me with only Wlads potential to paw his opponent with the jab for 12 rounds making him the very slightest of favourites.

But in reality, thompson, povetkin, haye, peter, rahman, klitschko, maskaev - theyre all capable of being heavyweight champion of the world on their day because they all have the ability to knock someone out with one punch!!

Thompson has the ability to KO someone with 1 punch 31 wins and 19 KO's doesn't exactly scream power puncher. Povetkin hasn't really hurt a true heavyweight yet, Haye has fought 1 guy you could mistake for a heavyweight and Sam Peter had his shot and couldn't get the job done.

Wladimir is the king right now and he deserves some credit.

Watch the fight vs Sultan the blame for it being a bad fight doesn't fall 100% on Wlad's shoulders...Sultan ran away a lot and hid in a crouch a lot.

[Kirkland Laing]

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

I suppose if Wlad beats the life out of Haye then all of a sudden Haye will be a "tomato can"


Kirkland, you demand a lot from a champion considering your favorite fighter did jack crap...he beat one guy by split decision and ooooh he's such a cult hero

Haye is a world class fighter but may not be world class at heavyweight. We'll have to see. Meanwhile Vlad has already lost to tomato cans. Just because he's the best heavyweight right now doesn't mean anything when you consider the state of the division.



Kirkland Laing beat a living legend, something Vlad will never do. And if you watch the fight you have to agree he won it clearly too. He's my favourite fighter because of how he went about his business, not how well he did in the ring.

[El Kabong]

Haye is a world class fighter but may not be world class at heavyweight. We'll have to see. Meanwhile Vlad has already lost to tomato cans. Just because he's the best heavyweight right now doesn't mean anything when you consider the state of the division.



Kirkland Laing beat a living legend, something Vlad will never do. And if you watch the fight you have to agree he won it clearly too. He's my favourite fighter because of how he went about his business, not how well he did in the ring.

Hey if Wlad doesn't lose to any of the current heavyweights then his record is going to be really damned good and that has to account for something even if the guys he has beat aren't as good as Riddick Bowe or Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson....look at those guys and you will see the guys they beat had their flaws as well, the only difference is they had their signature wins and Wlad's opponents have had signature wins as well.

Donovan Rudduck drew his 5th pro fight and lost his 10th pro fight by KO but he came back and beat a once tough Michael Dokes and an underachieving Buster Douglas to fight Tyson. Rudduck could punch like a son of a bitch but he wasn't really a threat to Tyson OR Lewis other than by a puncher's chance.

Riddick Bowe was a champion for a VERY short amount of time. He was dominant over Holyfield BUT his only big wins other than the ones vs Holyfield were vs Buster Douglas (an under achiever bar the fight vs Tyson), Michael Dokes (past his prime), and vs the game Pierre Coetzer.


Tyson's opponents, Holyfield's opponents, Bowe's opponents....Wlad has fought similar competition HOWEVER it's not his fault no one is good enough to compete with him. Maybe Daivd Haye can be the other man in the division but I doubt he's going to do well vs Wladimir based on size, strength, and power

[Kirkland Laing]

Haye is a world class fighter but may not be world class at heavyweight. We'll have to see. Meanwhile Vlad has already lost to tomato cans. Just because he's the best heavyweight right now doesn't mean anything when you consider the state of the division.



Kirkland Laing beat a living legend, something Vlad will never do. And if you watch the fight you have to agree he won it clearly too. He's my favourite fighter because of how he went about his business, not how well he did in the ring.

Hey if Wlad doesn't lose to any of the current heavyweights then his record is going to be really damned good and that has to account for something even if the guys he has beat aren't as good as Riddick Bowe or Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson....look at those guys and you will see the guys they beat had their flaws as well, the only difference is they had their signature wins and Wlad's opponents have had signature wins as well.

Donovan Rudduck drew his 5th pro fight and lost his 10th pro fight by KO but he came back and beat a once tough Michael Dokes and an underachieving Buster Douglas to fight Tyson. Rudduck could punch like a son of a bitch but he wasn't really a threat to Tyson OR Lewis other than by a puncher's chance.

Riddick Bowe was a champion for a VERY short amount of time. He was dominant over Holyfield BUT his only big wins other than the ones vs Holyfield were vs Buster Douglas (an under achiever bar the fight vs Tyson), Michael Dokes (past his prime), and vs the game Pierre Coetzer.


Tyson's opponents, Holyfield's opponents, Bowe's opponents....Wlad has fought similar competition HOWEVER it's not his fault no one is good enough to compete with him. Maybe Daivd Haye can be the other man in the division but I doubt he's going to do well vs Wladimir based on size, strength, and power

The current heavyweight scene is rubbish and Vlad is just the least-worst guy in it right now. Vlad has been KO'd by guys much smaller than him, so even a cruiserweight Haye stands a puncher's chance. If anybody remotely good comes along in the next couple of years he'll clean up the heavyweights easily.

[El Kabong]

The current heavyweight scene is rubbish and Vlad is just the least-worst guy in it right now. Vlad has been KO'd by guys much smaller than him, so even a cruiserweight Haye stands a puncher's chance. If anybody remotely good comes along in the next couple of years he'll clean up the heavyweights easily.

OK please explain how Wladimir can fix the current heavyweight division He's just one man he can't fight against himself dude.


David Haye has to prove himself and THEN maybe we can talk but right now Wlad is THE dominant fighter in the division. He beat Sam Peter BEFORE Sam had any losses that has to count for something. He beat Chris Byrd twice and both times he beat Chris Byrd he was one of the longest reigning title holders having defended several times vs guys just as big as Wladimir. Wlad also avenged his loss vs Lamon Brewster and had Corrie Sanders actually trained and beaten the 14-5-1 Osborne Machi-whaddy MAYBE Wlad would avenge that loss as well.

Right now there are not contenders OTHER than the punks who hold the other two belts and Wlad would hand them their asses as well.

I'm not sayign Wlad is the greatest of all time I am saying he's hands down the best right now and honestly right now the division isn't totally horrible it's the same as ever: no consistency, no big fights being made, and no complete fighters......which is why Lewis, Tyson, and Holyfield were able to stick around for so long and honestly I see Wlad being much the same, Even if (and that's a BIG if) a great heavyweight comes along, Wlad will still be able to win vs everyone else.


Kirkland you have flaws in your argument, you don't give credit where credit is due and even in HYPOTHETICAL situations you weasle out ways to try and rob Wladimir of any true legacy whatsoever. Sure Wlad got beat early in his career and he's been KO'd 3 times but hell show me a fighter sho either hasn't lost at all or has come back from losses to be stronger and better than before.....the only guys ARE THE BEST.

Lennox Lewis got knocked the fuck out vs McCall and Rahman and those guys were no world beaters. Mike Tyson lost to Buster motherfucking Douglas and Holyfield got TKO'd by a fucking supermiddleweight so don't fucking complain to me about Wlad losing when he was 22 years old.

Your argument is flawed, it's MORE biased than mine which borders on impossible and you're stubborn to boot. Congrats you got the hat trick.

[Violent Demise]

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

I suppose if Wlad beats the life out of Haye then all of a sudden Haye will be a "tomato can"


Kirkland, you demand a lot from a champion considering your favorite fighter did jack crap...he beat one guy by split decision and ooooh he's such a cult hero

LOL

[Kirkland Laing]

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

I suppose if Wlad beats the life out of Haye then all of a sudden Haye will be a "tomato can"


Kirkland, you demand a lot from a champion considering your favorite fighter did jack crap...he beat one guy by split decision and ooooh he's such a cult hero

LOL

You're still smarting because Bernard Hopkins got beat.

[Violent Demise]

I suppose if Wlad beats the life out of Haye then all of a sudden Haye will be a "tomato can"


Kirkland, you demand a lot from a champion considering your favorite fighter did jack crap...he beat one guy by split decision and ooooh he's such a cult hero

LOL

You're still smarting because Bernard Hopkins got beat.

You still smarting cuz you don't know how to judge a fight. If you did, you would know Hopkins didn't lose

[Kirkland Laing]

LOL

You're still smarting because Bernard Hopkins got beat.

You still smarting cuz you don't know how to judge a fight. If you did, you would know Hopkins didn't lose

You're so lucky you didn't do a signature bet with me. We have to do one when Calzaghe fights Jones Junior.

[Kev]

He needs to be as special as Ross "The Boss" Purrity and his twenty losses. Just because he's the best at the minute doesn't mean he's any good.

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

A decent heavyweight hasn't come along in 15 years buddy, they are sighted less often than Hayley's Comet

[Kirkland Laing]

....it means he's better than the 50 guys he has beaten 44 by KO.

And Haye has done what to earn this fight or show that he's ready to even challenge Wlad much less beat him?

He's knocked over a bunch of tomato cans. I didn't say Haye was worth puttting in the ring with him. I said we'll have to see with Haye. But as soon as a decent heavyweight comes along Vlad will get flattened. Again.

A decent heavyweight hasn't come along in 15 years buddy, they are sighted less often than Hayley's Comet

Yes, the heavyweight division has in general got progressively worse over the past couple of decades but that's irrelevant. Anybody who comes along now who is anywhere near the level of 90s heavyweights like Bowe will flatten Vlad.