David Haye Confronts Klitschko

[El Kabong]

Haye is a world class fighter but may not be world class at heavyweight. We'll have to see. Meanwhile Vlad has already lost to tomato cans. Just because he's the best heavyweight right now doesn't mean anything when you consider the state of the division.



Kirkland Laing beat a living legend, something Vlad will never do. And if you watch the fight you have to agree he won it clearly too. He's my favourite fighter because of how he went about his business, not how well he did in the ring.

Hey if Wlad doesn't lose to any of the current heavyweights then his record is going to be really damned good and that has to account for something even if the guys he has beat aren't as good as Riddick Bowe or Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson....look at those guys and you will see the guys they beat had their flaws as well, the only difference is they had their signature wins and Wlad's opponents have had signature wins as well.

Donovan Rudduck drew his 5th pro fight and lost his 10th pro fight by KO but he came back and beat a once tough Michael Dokes and an underachieving Buster Douglas to fight Tyson. Rudduck could punch like a son of a bitch but he wasn't really a threat to Tyson OR Lewis other than by a puncher's chance.

Riddick Bowe was a champion for a VERY short amount of time. He was dominant over Holyfield BUT his only big wins other than the ones vs Holyfield were vs Buster Douglas (an under achiever bar the fight vs Tyson), Michael Dokes (past his prime), and vs the game Pierre Coetzer.


Tyson's opponents, Holyfield's opponents, Bowe's opponents....Wlad has fought similar competition HOWEVER it's not his fault no one is good enough to compete with him. Maybe Daivd Haye can be the other man in the division but I doubt he's going to do well vs Wladimir based on size, strength, and power

[Kirkland Laing]

Haye is a world class fighter but may not be world class at heavyweight. We'll have to see. Meanwhile Vlad has already lost to tomato cans. Just because he's the best heavyweight right now doesn't mean anything when you consider the state of the division.



Kirkland Laing beat a living legend, something Vlad will never do. And if you watch the fight you have to agree he won it clearly too. He's my favourite fighter because of how he went about his business, not how well he did in the ring.

Hey if Wlad doesn't lose to any of the current heavyweights then his record is going to be really damned good and that has to account for something even if the guys he has beat aren't as good as Riddick Bowe or Evander Holyfield or Mike Tyson....look at those guys and you will see the guys they beat had their flaws as well, the only difference is they had their signature wins and Wlad's opponents have had signature wins as well.

Donovan Rudduck drew his 5th pro fight and lost his 10th pro fight by KO but he came back and beat a once tough Michael Dokes and an underachieving Buster Douglas to fight Tyson. Rudduck could punch like a son of a bitch but he wasn't really a threat to Tyson OR Lewis other than by a puncher's chance.

Riddick Bowe was a champion for a VERY short amount of time. He was dominant over Holyfield BUT his only big wins other than the ones vs Holyfield were vs Buster Douglas (an under achiever bar the fight vs Tyson), Michael Dokes (past his prime), and vs the game Pierre Coetzer.


Tyson's opponents, Holyfield's opponents, Bowe's opponents....Wlad has fought similar competition HOWEVER it's not his fault no one is good enough to compete with him. Maybe Daivd Haye can be the other man in the division but I doubt he's going to do well vs Wladimir based on size, strength, and power

The current heavyweight scene is rubbish and Vlad is just the least-worst guy in it right now. Vlad has been KO'd by guys much smaller than him, so even a cruiserweight Haye stands a puncher's chance. If anybody remotely good comes along in the next couple of years he'll clean up the heavyweights easily.

[El Kabong]

The current heavyweight scene is rubbish and Vlad is just the least-worst guy in it right now. Vlad has been KO'd by guys much smaller than him, so even a cruiserweight Haye stands a puncher's chance. If anybody remotely good comes along in the next couple of years he'll clean up the heavyweights easily.

OK please explain how Wladimir can fix the current heavyweight division He's just one man he can't fight against himself dude.


David Haye has to prove himself and THEN maybe we can talk but right now Wlad is THE dominant fighter in the division. He beat Sam Peter BEFORE Sam had any losses that has to count for something. He beat Chris Byrd twice and both times he beat Chris Byrd he was one of the longest reigning title holders having defended several times vs guys just as big as Wladimir. Wlad also avenged his loss vs Lamon Brewster and had Corrie Sanders actually trained and beaten the 14-5-1 Osborne Machi-whaddy MAYBE Wlad would avenge that loss as well.

Right now there are not contenders OTHER than the punks who hold the other two belts and Wlad would hand them their asses as well.

I'm not sayign Wlad is the greatest of all time I am saying he's hands down the best right now and honestly right now the division isn't totally horrible it's the same as ever: no consistency, no big fights being made, and no complete fighters......which is why Lewis, Tyson, and Holyfield were able to stick around for so long and honestly I see Wlad being much the same, Even if (and that's a BIG if) a great heavyweight comes along, Wlad will still be able to win vs everyone else.


Kirkland you have flaws in your argument, you don't give credit where credit is due and even in HYPOTHETICAL situations you weasle out ways to try and rob Wladimir of any true legacy whatsoever. Sure Wlad got beat early in his career and he's been KO'd 3 times but hell show me a fighter sho either hasn't lost at all or has come back from losses to be stronger and better than before.....the only guys ARE THE BEST.

Lennox Lewis got knocked the fuck out vs McCall and Rahman and those guys were no world beaters. Mike Tyson lost to Buster motherfucking Douglas and Holyfield got TKO'd by a fucking supermiddleweight so don't fucking complain to me about Wlad losing when he was 22 years old.

Your argument is flawed, it's MORE biased than mine which borders on impossible and you're stubborn to boot. Congrats you got the hat trick.

[Kirkland Laing]

I wouldn't get excited if he could fight himself. Watching one glass-jawed Frankenstein paw and jab some inevitably smaller guy for twelve rounds is bad enough but watching two of them would be torture.

Your problem is that you're relentlessly wrong about everything.

[El Kabong]

I wouldn't get excited if he could fight himself. Watching one glass-jawed Frankenstein paw and jab some inevitably smaller guy for twelve rounds is bad enough but watching two of them would be torture.

Your problem is that you're relentlessly wrong about everything.

It's either you or me buddy and honestly your argument is hella weak

[Kirkland Laing]

I wouldn't get excited if he could fight himself. Watching one glass-jawed Frankenstein paw and jab some inevitably smaller guy for twelve rounds is bad enough but watching two of them would be torture.

Your problem is that you're relentlessly wrong about everything.

It's either you or me buddy and honestly your argument is hella weak

OK Lyle.

[El Kabong]

OK Lyle.

Well in your efforts to discredit ONE heavyweight you have ended up trying to discredit them all even ones who haven't even fought in the division yet....that seems to me to be a little bit of a stretch.

Did Mike Tyson have anyone great on his record during his reign A scared Michael Spinks, an old Larry Holmes,....Trevor Berbick?? Pinklon Thomas FRANK BRUNO....but you like him because he was fun to watch....so I take it you don't watch much boxing . Wlad throws punches, he is able to inflict damage AND utilize his natural advantages of size and strength and what more could you ask for as a professional fighter You want him to talk trash like James Toney or just go for broke in every fight and not use strategy at all?


What you ask of Wladimir is either #1 ignorant from a strategic standpoint or #2 impossible for Wlad to do because he doesn't choose the people that are in the division and he can't make his opponents fight any better than what they do.

So yeah YOU are 100% wrong in this case....you can be a Haye fan and cheer him on and everything but denying Wlad his credit will come back and bite you in the ass because if Haye beats Wlad and Wlad is as big of a bum as you make him out to be then what the fuck has Haye proven? And if you just like the way Haye fights then go watch the fucking gypsies fight...because it's fun

[Kev]

I think Haye is an idiot, he just looked like a moron standing on that escalator looking up at Wladimir Klitschko.

I loved how Wlad said I can't fight you now I'm fighting my IBF mandatory challenger Tony Thompson, and Haye is like 'ok next' and Wlad is like 'the I must take on Alexander Povetkin the winner of the elimination tournament to fight me.

It was starting to sound like that speech in Life of Brian about what the Romans have ever done for us.

Haye is like 'Ok after you've fought Tony Thompson and Alexander Povetkin will you fight me?.

Wlad is like 'Then I am fighting a rematch against Sam Peter for a chance to become the first fighter to unify the heavyweight division since Lennox Lewis.


Poor David cries, 'Ok so after you've fought Tony Thompson, Alexander Povetkin and Sam Peter to unify the heavyweight division THEN will you fight me?



Run along David you made a complete ass of yourself

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not sure David Haye will be a good heavyweight. He might make Vlad look rock-jawed. But he'll be in some exciting fights. You can't say the same about Vlad.

[Violent Demise]

I think Haye is an idiot, he just looked like a moron standing on that escalator looking up at Wladimir Klitschko.

I loved how Wlad said I can't fight you now I'm fighting my IBF mandatory challenger Tony Thompson, and Haye is like 'ok next' and Wlad is like 'the I must take on Alexander Povetkin the winner of the elimination tournament to fight me.

It was starting to sound like that speech in Life of Brian about what the Romans have ever done for us.

Haye is like 'Ok after you've fought Tony Thompson and Alexander Povetkin will you fight me?.

Wlad is like 'Then I am fighting a rematch against Sam Peter for a chance to become the first fighter to unify the heavyweight division since Lennox Lewis.


Poor David cries, 'Ok so after you've fought Tony Thompson, Alexander Povetkin and Sam Peter to unify the heavyweight division THEN will you fight me?



Run along David you made a complete ass of yourself

For some reason I can easily picture Haye behind Wlad at the super market with a loaf of bread in his hand begging to Wlad "Please fight me, Wlad"