Nationalism in opinions on fighters and fights

[Dean Duke]

I always pull for my country but it does not mean that I will go down the bookies and put a bet on the result, mostly I hope for a good fair fight and the best man wins.
When I watch the fights that dont involve a brit I am pulling for the underdog although that may not be the fighter that I think would win. I like the David v Goliath scenario.

[Deanrw]

I'm from Canada and cannot call myself a fan of any Canadian fighter. Molitor to me is OK I guess, but if he fights De Leon or Lopez in the future, I want him to lose badly

I am biased because I like Power Punchers. it does not matter where they are from, the color of their skin, their religious believes, or how much they donate to charity. I just want excitement and drama.

I also enjoy slick boxers, but I am more picky when it comes to them. Guzman for instance, is incredible to watch.

How wrong can you be, I see Molitor beating PDL if they fight in the future. Molitors the future....

I think Cutmemick , Gamo, Lyle, Danny, Saddo and myself are one of the most neutral boxing fans in here. That's 4 nationalities right there

Prove us wrong!!

Thanks Puya...

I don't usually root for a boxer based on ethnicity or where they are from, I base it on willingness to fight all-comers and a good training ethic.

I'm trying to remember the last time a fighter really rallied for America, and used it as a point of pride. It's odd to me that many boxers live in America and have for a long time, but because they were born somewhere else they claim allegiance to their birth country.

You don't see too many American flags anymore.

Great post killersheep... Well done

I never said Molitor would lose, I just said I would want him to lose

[Mar]

Noting wrong with natonalism im my eyes, boxing is so full of talent from so many different walks of life that if you limit yourself to liking fighters on how they look than how they fight is not only stupid but you will be rooting for a loosing fighter half the time since race has nothing to do with ability in this sport. Properly trained, and with enough determination and all a that other crap we're taught to have when we're young a freakin multi-colored checkered guy could be champion. Race is usually only a real big factor online by myspacers and children of that sort, who really know very little about boxing in the first place and only contribute when a person of thier race wins to talk shit. And generally the only response they have to anything is based on thier race beating whatever other race.

[Deanrw]

Noting wrong with natonalism im my eyes, boxing is so full of talent from so many different walks of life that if you limit yourself to liking fighters on how they look than how they fight is not only stupid but you will be rooting for a loosing fighter half the time since race has nothing to do with ability in this sport. Properly trained, and with enough determination and all a that other crap we're taught to have when we're young a freakin multi-colored checkered guy could be champion. Race is usually only a real big factor online by myspacers and children of that sort, who really know very little about boxing in the first place and only contribute when a person of thier race wins to talk shit. And generally the only response they have to anything is based on thier race beating whatever other race.

See I cannot root for someone from my country just because. I hold a grudge against protected fighters. I find most of them in my neck of the woods protected.

Look at Bute for instance. He has never stepped up in class as a fighter and seems perfectly happy to be fighting fringe guys over and over again. In his last fight he even dug deeper into the barrel and somehow re-animated the corpse of William Joppy for an opponent. It may not even be his fault, but the whole situation disgusts me.

Then you got that laughing stock Jean Pascal, who talks a big fight, but has since run cowering since Miranda accepted his challenge.

Molitor is not quite as bad. He is slowly increasing his competition, but he is a small guy who is 28 years old. Time for the guy to step the fuck up. I actually kinda like him, but the channel who carries his fights here are so damn biased, that I cannot even listen to them. They make him sound like Ray Robinson in there.

Then you had Kirk Johnson, he was actually from my home town. Sure he turned into a fat bastard, but at least he took a shot at it and fought some good competition. He still turned out to be wasted talent which pisses me off. he could have done much better with discipline.

I like fighters who take a stand and let the chips fall. This is why i respect guys like Miranda. To me he represents what a fighter supposed to do. Get in there and war it up. If you lose, pick yourself up and get back at it again.

OK I am done venting before I take an Aneurysm here!LOL

Rep coming your way.

[Andre]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

People are letting this slide but seriously: am I missing something here?
Is there an underlying joke Im not getting ?

You dont enter into any debate to "let anyone win it" ever! white or black.
If they have won and you keep talking because you cant admit defeat then that is your one eyed shallow end of the pool mentality showing its true colours agaisnt the majority vote.
Your statement means you are either stupid enough to lose this one all by your self right there on your first comment;
Or I have missed the plot in which case I will appoligize.

[Andre]

I change mid fight sometimes, my heart is always with an underdog , country seems to come second when it becomes obvious someones doing it hard ,I automatically start barraking for them.
I want to see a good fight, I hate walk overs.

[LondonBB]

Yeah i see it a lot on this forum sadly.

A lot of hate for fighters of certain nationalities which is uncalled for.

Give a fighter a nationality label ie american, peurto rican, british, german, mexican etc etc and he becomes a 'better fighter' regardless of what hes achieved in the sport of boxing compared to what other boxers have achieved.

The fact is that achievements are what count in this sport. ONLY ACHIEVEMENTS.

A fighters success is measured by his achievements in boxing. It doesnt matter what nationality someone is, or who rates them or not, the truth about the fighter comes down to what they have achieved.

When a totally unbias hall of fame is written up, it is the fighters who have achieved the most who belong in it.

No one, regardless of nationalism, prejudice, hate, racism etc etc can take away the achievements of any fighter, ultimately those are the credentials by which a fighter is judged on, ONLY THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS

[amat]

No offense but this forum isn't nationalistic at all at least compared to others. We have a vast blend of nationalities and before the flags, I could never tell you where half the posters were from. You can't go on just Hopkins - Calzaghe and also, you can't discount someone's opinion just because they are a fan of the fighter.

[LondonBB]

No offense but this forum isn't nationalistic at all at least compared to others. We have a vast blend of nationalities and before the flags, I could never tell you where half the posters were from. You can't go on just Hopkins - Calzaghe and also, you can't discount someone's opinion just because they are a fan of the fighter.

No offence taken mate

What i meant was that nationalism with respect to certain fighters. Not necessarily rooting for their own fighter...but are againat other fighter of certain nationalities.

I think that nationality of the fighter plays a great deal. Some people just love to hate fighters of certain nationalities.

[Mikkel_K]

I think there is a difference between sympathies and opinions/predictions.

Unless there was pretty special circumstances, I'd probably always root for a Danish fighter against a non-Danish fighter. Even if I didnt really like the fighter in question that much. [This might be due to coming from a small country, where there is only so many boxers to choose from - if you're American it's easier to 'afford' not caring about certain fighters].

This doesnt mean though that I dont try to keep an objective, unbiased opinion. [I may not always succeed in this, but at least I try].

In short: Nationalism in opinions on boxing is stupid. But favoring certain boxers because of nationalism [1] is not necessarily stupid IMO.

[1] I actually had a course on nationalism a few years ago. Here they distinguished between patriotism - liking your own country - and nationalism - disliking (people from) other countries. If this definition should be applied - I found it a bit stupid and simplified to be honest - nationalism is obviously a bad thing, while it is patriotism that I think should be allowed.

[p4pking]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

People are letting this slide but seriously: am I missing something here?
Is there an underlying joke Im not getting ?

You dont enter into any debate to "let anyone win it" ever! white or black.
If they have won and you keep talking because you cant admit defeat then that is your one eyed shallow end of the pool mentality showing its true colours agaisnt the majority vote.
Your statement means you are either stupid enough to lose this one all by your self right there on your first comment;
Or I have missed the plot in which case I will appoligize.

He was just making a joke in light of Hopkins comments about the Calzaghe fight, least that's how I took it.. Hopkins said he'd never let a white boy beat him, then later wen't on to say it wasn't a racist comment or that he didn't have racist views etc. No need to nitpick at the wording he used.

[Jesse James]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

People are letting this slide but seriously: am I missing something here?
Is there an underlying joke Im not getting ?

You dont enter into any debate to "let anyone win it" ever! white or black.
If they have won and you keep talking because you cant admit defeat then that is your one eyed shallow end of the pool mentality showing its true colours agaisnt the majority vote.
Your statement means you are either stupid enough to lose this one all by your self right there on your first comment;
Or I have missed the plot in which case I will appoligize.

He was just making a joke in light of Hopkins comments about the Calzaghe fight, least that's how I took it.. Hopkins said he'd never let a white boy beat him, then later wen't on to say it wasn't a racist comment or that he didn't have racist views etc. No need to nitpick at the wording he used.

Thank you my man. I'm glad someone got the joke.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

I certainly hope that was a joke

[p4pking]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

I certainly hope that was a joke

Why? I'd never let a black person beat me at a debate either.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I'm not a racist, but I'll never let a black person beat me in a debate.

I certainly hope that was a joke

Why? I'd never let a black person beat me at a debate either.

Oh and why is that?