could Calzaghe end up higher than RJJ in the all time p4P list

[Macho]

Hehehei , that is if he beat Roy Jones Jr. and i doubt on that..........

[gudnite vienna]

so basicly wat you are saying is that Tarver is a better boxer that Calzaghe, because he made RJJ look silly in there fights!

[Macho]

so basicly wat you are saying is that Tarver is a better boxer that Calzaghe, because he made RJJ look silly in there fights!

OK gudnite , but that was in other Div......, Jones Jr. in 170 pnd. is too faster now , is more stronger and his power punch feels more devastating......

[Althugz]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

[bcollins]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

I second that...even though Calzaghe is a great fighter.

[gudnite vienna]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

[Violent Demise]

No.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

fair point my friend but calzaghes had many hand picked opponents, his record of 21 defences is really largely just a number, there's 17,18 names on there that are just names, we all knew he'd beat them.......... atleast ruiz was a name, he's fought holyfield, rahman, tua, golota, james toney, toney tucker and roy jones... ok he's lost a few. if you talk about hand picked frank warren has served up many for joe

but i respect your opinain buddy

[p4pking]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

It has to be based heavily on talent.. I mean of course achievements are factored in but if that were all it was based on the term would be completely meaningless. How could Calzaghe ever be above RJJ on an all time p4p list when he's never been the no.1 p4p fighter in the world, and Roy was for almost a decade? Not to mention it's fairly obvious to see he's nowhere near as good as Roy was.

[Beanflicker]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

Everyone thought he'd beat Ruiz? Ummm sorry but I remember public opinion being divided, with a lot of people feeling that Jones bit off a lot more than he could chew fighting such a big guy. And lets not kid ourselves, Ruiz may be boring but he's no pushover, he was a good fighter who beat some good HWs. So for Roy to go up from 175 and dominate a 230lb HW champ is incredible, don't try to downplay that.

Roy Jones is still better p4p both in accomplishments and skill IMO. Calzaghe is an incredible fighter who is having an incredible career, but I think Jones has him notched.

[DaxxKahn]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

100% AGREED.....JUst the version of Jones alone at 168 would not allow it...At 168 Jones was the closest thing to being an unbeatable fighter we may ever see...

Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight world titles...Not beaten until after his best days and after dropping over 20+lbs of muscle in a short amount of time

Hard to even dispute his greatness let alone compare it

In this video you see the very best of Jones on the Attack...The Jones in this Video beats ANY other fighter in the history of the game in a P4P prime for prime matchup

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RmDo12nEBp8

I wish Tarver met this version of Jones...We would have been done with him 15 seconds after the bell sounded

[Jody Lane]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

[Dark Lord Al]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

THEN YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT !!!!
And need to be sectioned .

May i suggest a name change to LUCIFERTHEBELLEND

[DaxxKahn]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

THEN YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT !!!!
And need to be sectioned .

May i suggest a name change to LUCIFERTHEBELLEND

Ha Ha Ha...Al you crack me up...Have some rep

[DaxxKahn]

Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

During Jones LHW years the division was weak...The only real person he did not go and fight was Dariusz...And Jones was not traveling and neither was Daruisz (How ever you spell it)...so the fight being made was a stalemate...In his MW and SMW years he faced and beat...Hopkins, Pazienza, Tate, Toney, Byrd, and his early LHW years he faced,,,Grant, Griffin, McCallum, Hill (who at the time was very highly reguarded),...all world class fighters of the time he faced them...

That is not the resume of a guy who did not face anyone....as much as I like Joe those names alone equal if not surpass his resume...And those were just a portion of Jones acomplishments....Plus he eventually went on to be HW champion