could Calzaghe end up higher than RJJ in the all time p4P list

[gudnite vienna]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

[Violent Demise]

No.

[gudnite vienna]

why?

[Violent Demise]

why?

Cuz

[Bookkeeper]

why?

Cuz

Can anyone tell me why VD does not like Joe

[amat]

No because P4P, Roy was at the top for years. Calzaghe never was. P4P draws a lot more from talent too, usually the guy at number 1 is regarded as the most talented fighter in the game. That's not the case with Calzaghe.

[SweetPea]

To answer the thread question...... No.

Roy Jones spent the better part of a decade as the best fighter in the world PFP. Calzaghe has most certainly not done that.

[Deanrw]

You have to sit back and look at it all in context. Much of what Joe did up until 2006 is really a wash. He stayed in a weak division and fough mostly fringe opponents. It is a shame because he was then a better fighter than he is now. He could have made some real waves if he moved to 175 earlier.

Right now he will have a tough time beating the fighters you mention. It is not impossible though and if he does, people will look back on him favorably. Jones in his prime had that superman aura about him and it will be practically impossible to overcome.

[porkypara]

I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

[Chino]

Sure, I was rooting for Calzaghe when he faced Hopkins and I agreed on the decision but somehow he didn't impress me. I didn't see a spark in his punches. Many seemed like slaps. To consider him an all great P4P it’s a bit too far in my opinion. I guess I'll have to go back and see past fights just in case "it was not his night" against Hopkins even though he won.

[HattonTheHammer]

Sure, I was rooting for Calzaghe when he faced Hopkins and I agreed on the decision but somehow he didn't impress me. I didn't see a spark in his punches. Many seemed like slaps. To consider him an all great P4P it’s a bit too far in my opinion. I guess I'll have to go back and see past fights just in case "it was not his night" against Hopkins even though he won.

the guy is 45-0 you cannot argue with stats.

I completely understand peoples right to say that RJJ is still ahead in the all time great rankings.

But to suggest that calzaghe shouldnt even be on that list is a joke, joe has dominated an entire division for a decade now, moved up a weight category to fight one of the all time greats, not fought that well as we know joe can fight yet still won.

I hope to god RJJ doesnt fight calzaghe, the man is way past his prime and JC is probably just as dominant as he has ever been and would probably end up completely outscoring jones.

I wanna remember the RJJ of yesteryear that gave us fight fans so many happy memorys, not a shadow of his former self getting beat up for a few extra bucks!!

[NUCLEAR BULL]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

fair point my friend but calzaghes had many hand picked opponents, his record of 21 defences is really largely just a number, there's 17,18 names on there that are just names, we all knew he'd beat them.......... atleast ruiz was a name, he's fought holyfield, rahman, tua, golota, james toney, toney tucker and roy jones... ok he's lost a few. if you talk about hand picked frank warren has served up many for joe

but i respect your opinain buddy

[p4pking]

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

It has to be based heavily on talent.. I mean of course achievements are factored in but if that were all it was based on the term would be completely meaningless. How could Calzaghe ever be above RJJ on an all time p4p list when he's never been the no.1 p4p fighter in the world, and Roy was for almost a decade? Not to mention it's fairly obvious to see he's nowhere near as good as Roy was.

[RozzySean]

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

[Phil]

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?