could Calzaghe end up higher than RJJ in the all time p4P list

**p4pking** · 04-30-2008 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

yes but an all time p4p list is not based on how much tallent a fighter has, it is what they have accomplished.. dont get me wrong all respect for Roy for winning the HW tittle but he had a hand picked champion who we all thought he'd beat..

wat im saying is, if Calzaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik, Dawson and Tarver has he basicly accomplished more in his career..

It has to be based heavily on talent.. I mean of course achievements are factored in but if that were all it was based on the term would be completely meaningless. How could Calzaghe ever be above RJJ on an all time p4p list when he's never been the no.1 p4p fighter in the world, and Roy was for almost a decade? Not to mention it's fairly obvious to see he's nowhere near as good as Roy was.

**RozzySean** · 04-30-2008 11:31 PM

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

**Phil** · 05-01-2008 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?

**bcollins** · 05-01-2008 12:54 PM

Ya'll Must've Forgot.

**brucelee** · 05-01-2008 12:56 PM

RJJ will forever be the best P4P for me.

**HattonTheHammer** · 05-01-2008 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?

to be fair to joe, reid did put in the performance of his life that night, also remember his face looking a complete mess afterwards and JC coming on particularly strong late on.

that was 9 odd years ago and barring the hopkins fight nobody since then has even got close to beating joe and probably never will until he retires!!

**RozzySean** · 05-01-2008 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Phil

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?

Where is Reid's signature win? Every time Reid stepped up in class he lost - his biggest win was who, Hacine Cherifi? Vazquez, a blown up old LMW? I guess it's Henry Wharton. Reid is far more likable guy, but he is really not better than a top level journeyman.

Tarver beat Eric Harding, Glen Johnson, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, lost a debatable fight to Jones, then beat him twice more. Oh, and he just beat Clinton Woods. Tarver ain't an ATG, but he talks like one and people hate him for it. Nonetheless, he's a world class fighter.