Quote Originally Posted by denilson200 View Post
Quote Originally Posted by RozzySean View Post
Calzaghe might box the ears of Pavlik, but he won't beat the stuffing out of him. Calzaghe can't hurt Pavlik. Hell, I'm not sure he could hurt me. I love watching him fight and I consider myself a fan, but the one thing he can't do is crack. Hopkins was right about one thing, Calzaghe might have hit him with more punches than he's ever been hit with, but Hopkins face looked like he had been out for a jog rather than a prizefight.
Very well said. Calzaghe may give a boxing clinic on Pavlik, but he won't destroy him and to me looking at Calzaghe's legacy he has never really DESTROYED a great fighter, or even stopped or knocked out one. All his best wins have been UD's. He just finds a way win. To me Calzaghe is a bit like what Larry Holmes was in the 80's, yeah he was good and he kept winning, but there is something in the back of your mind saying "Is he really that good ?" as to me he is not as good was what came before (Jones, Toney, Benn, McClellan) and maybe the way Tyson put Holmes firmly in his place, Pavlik can do the same to Calzaghe.
Thanks for the compliment, and I agree with most of the post, but I think you are off the the Holmes comparision. First, Tyson didn't put Holmes firmly in his place. Tyson beat completely past it Holmes. Holmes suffered in reputation because he followed in the footsteps of Ali and he was followed by Tyson. He didn't have the personality or charisma of either, and he didn't have the right opponent in his time to make a epic trilogy with. It's too bad Tyson didn't come along a little earlier. One of my top 5 fantasy fights is Prime Holmes against Prime Tyson. Some people have that in the back of their mind with Holmes, sure, but I think those people are wrong, and in my book, many people overrate Tyson considerably.

Also, I think it's generally recognized that Jones, in his short stay at SWM was better than Joe. I have no doubt that Joe is better than Benn or McClellen. Toney, I'm not sure, but in comparing Joe to Jones and Toney, you are judging him against two ATG's.