The Dynamic Power Of Wing Chun

[Salty]

I downloaded a "Chinese Mind Boxing" ebook and so far I have no idea what is going on with it, although I haven't read much of it yet, just the part where it said that they don't do contact sparring. How are they going to use this stuff if they don't know whether they can take a hit ala Zelenoff?

Also can anyone do the 1-3 inch punch? or the floating punch?

[donnydarkoIRL]

I downloaded a "Chinese Mind Boxing" ebook and so far I have no idea what is going on with it, although I haven't read much of it yet, just the part where it said that they don't do contact sparring. How are they going to use this stuff if they don't know whether they can take a hit ala Zelenoff?

Also can anyone do the 1-3 inch punch? or the floating punch?

I can actually do the one inch punch.

Obviously not with incredible power, but with enough force to create space.

[Munkymagic]

If we are talking in a true fighting sense then Wing Chun will give you 'attributes' to use but as a standalone fighting system it is flawed (IMO). I respect wing chun and it's history but all this stuff about 'dynamic power' etc etc does not wash with me.
The punches may be fast and direct but they are weak punches. Too much tricep and not near enough body mass to cause damage. Wing chun people train to fight wing chun people. The body stays at a certain distance from eachother and they stay vertical. Watch what happens when someone closes the distance at speed and goes for a takedown.

I know someone who got into an altercation with a Wing Chun practitioner and the WC chap caught him off gaurd and straight blasted him. Although initially stunned the other managed to shake off the attack and gain the upper hand.

I myself have sparred with a red sash wing chun when i was only a 1st Kyu BJA brown belt in Judo. Not to brag but he was taken down at will and subbed with ease on the ground. Some pitter patter punches were caught on the way in but they were easy to shake off.

I am not by any way into art bashing and anyone can gain benefits from practicing any art but to claim it as an adaptable and practical standalone fighting system is a bit of an overly bold claim IMO!

[Salty]

I can actually do the one inch punch.

Obviously not with incredible power, but with enough force to create space.

I haven't really practised it yet but could be useful in close i guess, I'm wondering if the effect would be noticed with gloves on though?

Also whats your technique for it?

[donnydarkoIRL]

I can actually do the one inch punch.

Obviously not with incredible power, but with enough force to create space.

I haven't really practised it yet but could be useful in close i guess, I'm wondering if the effect would be noticed with gloves on though?

Also whats your technique for it?

I don't think you would feel it with gloves on, but it would make some room, if you wanted to work on the outside.

All I do is quaarter extend my arm so it is an inche from the body of the target. I extend my arm and pivot slightly at the same time, causing a force enough to cause a step back.

[Douglas]

Boxing is the mainly adaptable are around.

[hanlon]

Ill try and find the rule against wing chun punches again. I might of lost myself when I was talking about the muscle memory, misses some stuff.

Yes boxing does teach how muscle memory, on how to jab and such. Wing Chun is different in the fact that it teaches what muscle wise how to attack once you defend. Like boxing, you block a shot, and your muscle memory training doesnt go beyond that, exception of maybe mit training. But sticking hands is about getting as close to your opponent as possible so you can always touch him and from that point keep pushing forward, non stop, the use of analysing the situation is obsolete because by feeling you opponent you can defend and attack him. That is why some very well trained Wing Chun masters can do sticking hands blind folded, trained himself to recognize how to attack and defend based on feeling his opponent. Throwing thousands of punches a day is also a thing wing chun people do, I dont know about the kung fu forms though, to be honest I have yet to notice how to use it in an actual situation, my wing chun classes are about 2-3 hours long, at the start 30 minutes of learning new forms and techniques and then the rest is used on sticking hand training among other soft sparring techniques. Also, among the student in the class many (like me) dont mind being hit, we hold back a little as to not hurt each other, but we will throw fast hard punches and elbows in order to train in sticking hands.

Boxing is good, I recognize it as a good fighting style, however, a good wing chun fighter vs a good boxer using only those styles I believe a wing chun guy would win, learning how to deflect the punches with only the littlest movement as well as attacking or trapping in that same instant.

about my comment above, the Wing Chun style is based on defending the centerline, your hands are not at your face, its closer to the mid torso, this is because the wing chun concept believes that the center is the most important place to protect. so you square your body, so both hands can activly attack unlike the boxing ones in front one in the back. With the wing chun stance you can equally protect all parts of your body, as well send punches to all places with equal speed as well as defend,(like the radius of a circle), making it the most effiecient stance for attack + defend. This stance also is better against grapplers, where the boxing stance your hands are up, wing chun your hands are more down, so its easier to get a hand on a guy trying to tackle you maybe drop a elbow (street fight) or push down on the head/shoulders so you move back with his momentum.


Some more technical stuff about wing chun style.

in training in wing chun, one of the key things to do is trap the opponents arms, when attacked, a wing chun fighter is trained to not only parry the arm, put to push or move or grab it, to a place where it cannot be used to defend against the incoming wing chun punch, once this punch is finished the arm reloads the punch by replacing the hand that was trapping the other arm, simple things like using your arms to keep his hands below yours so he cant protect his head, or grabbing and pulling then stepping to one side so he has to turn his body to defend.

another thing is training the joints to do work, it teaches you how to relax to generate more force, for instance a kind a defence where the elbow moves down to parry a attack, all power is used from the shoulder muscle to move the punch down instead of push the hand down, rotating the shoulder muscle instead of pushing down on it. this way you can push and control your opponent who tries to push your hands away with more ease.

[hanlon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHlKXdGcew

Video of two wing chun guys sparring, shows few of the main defend attack trap techniques

[Agent86]

There are not many good wing chun schools in the world. So those of you that think it is garbage havent found a good wc school yet.

I know for a fact that wing chun is taught to a number of special forces regiments in the world. Not mauy tai or karate. Bjj and ju jitsu nijitsu wing chun is taught.

I find that it is childish to offend another style and lacks repect and martial arts honour.

[Nameless]

There are not many good wing chun schools in the world. So those of you that think it is garbage havent found a good wc school yet.

I know for a fact that wing chun is taught to a number of special forces regiments in the world. Not mauy tai or karate. Bjj and ju jitsu nijitsu wing chun is taught.

I find that it is childish to offend another style and lacks repect and martial arts honour.

I know as well that the best special forces in the world do not learn that (Mossad learn Krav Maga, Russians are making Systema and some sambo etc) plus I don't think it was all about disrespect here, it was all about efficiency in real situations fighting with the level of versatility involved.

[Andre]

There are not many good wing chun schools in the world. So those of you that think it is garbage havent found a good wc school yet.

I know for a fact that wing chun is taught to a number of special forces regiments in the world. Not mauy tai or karate. Bjj and ju jitsu nijitsu wing chun is taught.

I find that it is childish to offend another style and lacks repect and martial arts honour.

I cant use the end form of Wing Chun on the street or in any normal type of competition. To use Bil gee against anyone is to maim them (mainly blind them with full force whiping like extended finger strikes) on the first move as it out reaches anyone with their fists.

This cant be done to anyone without serving serious time and cant be done morally to anyone who just threatens you in any way other than by death or your familys.

So at the end of the day, just like the dragons touch and few other techniques from the end of other styles : wing chun is just a art form practiced.

Other styles more concentrated on the middle of the road situations that incorporate any moral rules like competition will always beat wing chun because they practice those middle of the road techniques for that reason.


Wing Chuns basic sil lim tao and chum kill are middle of the road techniques and work well against normal people evn against groups of normal people and some lesser grades of other styles, but they serve more to build the foundation to be able to fight open handed using the system as a whole system which cannot be used. So its an art form simular to sword fighting these days.
(still, I wouldnt break into their houses ).


So you wont ever be seeing any wing Chun practitoners beating any mma guys or UFC guys i the ring but you may see the odd weight transfering technique eventually being used to remove a leg out of play etc, I hope not though.