Why is Julio Ceasar Chavez Such a Loved Legend?

[CutMeMick]

Whoa, hold the flames.....

Just an observation I made a long time ago when I watched the Trinidad vs ODLH Legendary Nights. It was said that the Mexican's didn't take to Oscar and prefered a warrior like Julio Ceasar Chavez who would go to war.
That's fair enough but I've been watching some recent JCC (of course i'm no authority, no disrespect intended to some of you who have been fans for way longer than I have) and petty much everytime he fought someone decent he got found out (whitaker, Tsuyu, Taylor etc)...got some gifts and the thing that kind of contradicted what they said about him on that show was that he QUIT against Oscar. The 'warrior' that all the fans loved quit? Am I missing something here?

I've never seen Oscar quit apart from a liver shot he took against Hopkins so why do Mexican's love JCC so much more so? Oscar has never been made to look stupid against any opponent and I find him more talented. His resume as well is absolutely solid. (of course he's got a few gifts himself..namely Sturm...I saw the Whitaker fight Oscars way)

Is it because he is a mainland Mexican and not Mexican-American? Was it because of his look? Was it because of his style?

If anything I'm looking for a bit more of an education about JCC. Is he the biggest Mexican legend?

I don't know where to start off but right off the bat I can tell you that if your talking about JCC vs. Tszyu and ODLH and your talking about him quitting and getting found then CLEARLY you are not fully aware of JCCs career.
To judge JCC by those 2 fights and completely ignore and not look into the other 80 something fights he had is IMO a bit naive.
JCC represented much more then just a boxer. He represented a struggle, he represented a country.
I would strongly suggest you try and get your hands on JCCs documentary it was recently released and directed and produced by Diego Luna. You'll understand a lot more about JCC.
The fact that MTaylor outboxed the shit out of him but he fought 'til the end shows you the heart and determination that he had.

I can type here all night but you need to see more then just 4 fights to conprehend his status.

[Violent Demise]

Whoa, hold the flames.....

Just an observation I made a long time ago when I watched the Trinidad vs ODLH Legendary Nights. It was said that the Mexican's didn't take to Oscar and prefered a warrior like Julio Ceasar Chavez who would go to war.
That's fair enough but I've been watching some recent JCC (of course i'm no authority, no disrespect intended to some of you who have been fans for way longer than I have) and petty much everytime he fought someone decent he got found out (whitaker, Tsuyu, Taylor etc)...got some gifts and the thing that kind of contradicted what they said about him on that show was that he QUIT against Oscar. The 'warrior' that all the fans loved quit? Am I missing something here?

I've never seen Oscar quit apart from a liver shot he took against Hopkins so why do Mexican's love JCC so much more so? Oscar has never been made to look stupid against any opponent and I find him more talented. His resume as well is absolutely solid. (of course he's got a few gifts himself..namely Sturm...I saw the Whitaker fight Oscars way)

Is it because he is a mainland Mexican and not Mexican-American? Was it because of his look? Was it because of his style?

If anything I'm looking for a bit more of an education about JCC. Is he the biggest Mexican legend?

I don't know where to start off but right off the bat I can tell you that if your talking about JCC vs. Tszyu and ODLH and your talking about him quitting and getting found then CLEARLY you are not fully aware of JCCs career.
To judge JCC by those 2 fights and completely ignore and not look into the other 80 something fights he had is IMO a bit naive.
JCC represented much more then just a boxer. He represented a struggle, he represented a country.
I would strongly suggest you try and get your hands on JCCs documentary it was recently released and directed and produced by Diego Luna. You'll understand a lot more about JCC.
The fact that MTaylor outboxed the shit out of him but he fought 'til the end shows you the heart and determination that he had.

I can type here all night but you need to see more then just 4 fights to conprehend his status.

Very well said. Chavez is a boxing legend. That's undebatable.

[DaxxKahn]

Pretty much as everyone else has said...You need to see everything on Chavez career....Sounds like you have only seen the tail end of it when he was past his best days fighting you guys like DLH who at the time was a phenom....Chavez is everything people make him out to be and more....Fighters like that come along rarely....

[No Contest]

He fought alot of fights in Mexico too, he really built up his record in Mexico, got their support as being a peoples champ. He came to the states won the green belt and it quickly became Mexico's best fighter against the World....and he won alot, alot alot. The guy made it to 87-0 and theres alot of big names on there I'll go through some bigger ones:
Terrance Alli
Greg Haugen
Hector Camacho
Angel Hernandez
Frankie Mitchell
I wont count the Taylor fight...
Alberto le las Mercedes Cortes
Roger Mayweather
Jose Luis Ramirez
Rafael Limon
Nicky Perez
Edwin Rosario
Juan La Porte
Rocky Lockridge
Rueben Castillo
These are just the guys on his resume before he lost 1 fight.

[Scrap]

At his best he was the best.

[donnydarkoIRL]

JLC was something special. Aside from some amateur coaching, he was entirely self taught and the only trainer he had was a conditioning coach.

Through absolute grit, determination and raw testosterone, all inspired by necessity, Chavez carved his own legacy. He forced the boxing authorities to take notice with his high octane style and pumping on all cyliders he reached world level.
To have names such as Whittaker, Taylor, De la Hoya and Tszyu on one's record stands testamanet to a good fighter.
To be competitive with any of these names or even to be competitive enough to warrant a win shows the mark of a great fighter.

His style, mentality and opposition doid not allow Chavez to perfect his defence. He would have been outboxed had he "£wasted time" adopting a cautious approach. This translated to a helluva lot of wear and tear as he entered his fights numbered 85+.

It was not JCC that fought De la Hoya and Tszyu, it was a ghost of a once great fighter, a remarkable athlete who's sheer refusal to retreat meant he will go down as perhaps the toughest of all the Mexicans.

[Rican]

Oscar is simply "Mexican American" as opposed to "Mexican." And the quitting was done when Chavez was past his prime. And though he got exposed against Whitaker, so did Oscar. And Taylor? He may have been winning on the scorecards, and the stoppage was contriversial, but he got a terrible beating and Chavez ended his career, you can say. I makle nothing of Oscar's fights with Chavez. Nothing. Simply another money making ploy by the Golden Boy.

[zhubin]

Oscar is simply "Mexican American" as opposed to "Mexican." And the quitting was done when Chavez was past his prime. And though he got exposed against Whitaker, so did Oscar. And Taylor? He may have been winning on the scorecards, and the stoppage was contriversial, but he got a terrible beating and Chavez ended his career, you can say. I makle nothing of Oscar's fights with Chavez. Nothing. Simply another money making ploy by the Golden Boy.

A money making ploy?! You are stretching a bit much. What...JCC didn't make any money for that fight? Did someone put a gun to JCC's head and say fight Oscar. It goes both ways. Chavez represented Mexico and a certain generation in that fight and Oscar was the up and coming superstar. Of course Chavez was well past it by then...but it was still an "event" fight. As for Chavez's career in general...he was the epitome of the "Mexican Warrior". He was the people's champion. I personally don't rank him as Mexico's greatest fighter...but he certainly is Mexico's most popular fighter of all time.

[Althugz]

Whoa, hold the flames.....

Just an observation I made a long time ago when I watched the Trinidad vs ODLH Legendary Nights. It was said that the Mexican's didn't take to Oscar and prefered a warrior like Julio Ceasar Chavez who would go to war.
That's fair enough but I've been watching some recent JCC (of course i'm no authority, no disrespect intended to some of you who have been fans for way longer than I have) and petty much everytime he fought someone decent he got found out (whitaker, Tsuyu, Taylor etc)...got some gifts and the thing that kind of contradicted what they said about him on that show was that he QUIT against Oscar. The 'warrior' that all the fans loved quit? Am I missing something here?

I've never seen Oscar quit apart from a liver shot he took against Hopkins so why do Mexican's love JCC so much more so? Oscar has never been made to look stupid against any opponent and I find him more talented. His resume as well is absolutely solid. (of course he's got a few gifts himself..namely Sturm...I saw the Whitaker fight Oscars way)

Is it because he is a mainland Mexican and not Mexican-American? Was it because of his look? Was it because of his style?

If anything I'm looking for a bit more of an education about JCC. Is he the biggest Mexican legend?

I don't know where to start off but right off the bat I can tell you that if your talking about JCC vs. Tszyu and ODLH and your talking about him quitting and getting found then CLEARLY you are not fully aware of JCCs career.
To judge JCC by those 2 fights and completely ignore and not look into the other 80 something fights he had is IMO a bit naive.
JCC represented much more then just a boxer. He represented a struggle, he represented a country.
I would strongly suggest you try and get your hands on JCCs documentary it was recently released and directed and produced by Diego Luna. You'll understand a lot more about JCC.
The fact that MTaylor outboxed the shit out of him but he fought 'til the end shows you the heart and determination that he had.

I can type here all night but you need to see more then just 4 fights to conprehend his status.

Mick, I didn't say he was found out against Oscar, I know that was him way past his best. Against Tzuyu, I take that back..That was even after Oscar. Also I wasn't 'judging' JCC on 2 fights. I think you just got a bit offended and failed to read my post properly. No worries.

I don't have a 'judgement' on JCC because like you say I havn't seen enough..i'm going by what I know of him and what I have seen. This led me to ask a few questions regarding him. Wanted to know what made him so popular. These responses are exactly what I needed to get educated on him. Is that naive? Sorry bro I won't ask questions in future but either way you've helped me understand also why he is so popular so thank you.
If anyone has the link to JCC's documentary i'd like a watch.

[CutMeMick]

Whoa, hold the flames.....

Just an observation I made a long time ago when I watched the Trinidad vs ODLH Legendary Nights. It was said that the Mexican's didn't take to Oscar and prefered a warrior like Julio Ceasar Chavez who would go to war.
That's fair enough but I've been watching some recent JCC (of course i'm no authority, no disrespect intended to some of you who have been fans for way longer than I have) and petty much everytime he fought someone decent he got found out (whitaker, Tsuyu, Taylor etc)...got some gifts and the thing that kind of contradicted what they said about him on that show was that he QUIT against Oscar. The 'warrior' that all the fans loved quit? Am I missing something here?

I've never seen Oscar quit apart from a liver shot he took against Hopkins so why do Mexican's love JCC so much more so? Oscar has never been made to look stupid against any opponent and I find him more talented. His resume as well is absolutely solid. (of course he's got a few gifts himself..namely Sturm...I saw the Whitaker fight Oscars way)

Is it because he is a mainland Mexican and not Mexican-American? Was it because of his look? Was it because of his style?

If anything I'm looking for a bit more of an education about JCC. Is he the biggest Mexican legend?

I don't know where to start off but right off the bat I can tell you that if your talking about JCC vs. Tszyu and ODLH and your talking about him quitting and getting found then CLEARLY you are not fully aware of JCCs career.
To judge JCC by those 2 fights and completely ignore and not look into the other 80 something fights he had is IMO a bit naive.
JCC represented much more then just a boxer. He represented a struggle, he represented a country.
I would strongly suggest you try and get your hands on JCCs documentary it was recently released and directed and produced by Diego Luna. You'll understand a lot more about JCC.
The fact that MTaylor outboxed the shit out of him but he fought 'til the end shows you the heart and determination that he had.

I can type here all night but you need to see more then just 4 fights to conprehend his status.

Mick, I didn't say he was found out against Oscar, I know that was him way past his best. Against Tzuyu, I take that back..That was even after Oscar. Also I wasn't 'judging' JCC on 2 fights. I think you just got a bit offended and failed to read my post properly. No worries.

I don't have a 'judgement' on JCC because like you say I havn't seen enough..i'm going by what I know of him and what I have seen. This led me to ask a few questions regarding him. Wanted to know what made him so popular. These responses are exactly what I needed to get educated on him. Is that naive? Sorry bro I won't ask questions in future but either way you've helped me understand also why he is so popular so thank you.
If anyone has the link to JCC's documentary i'd like a watch.

Fair play I could have read your post different then how you intended it to be.
If I'm not mistaken when you 1st came on here you asked what were some of the best career sets you could get. I suggeseted a couple but now I suggest JCC.

A lot of people think JCCs career took off when he defeated Roger and that's not the case. JCC career took off when he defeated the "heavily" favorite 'Azabache' Martinez who was popular at the time and had just recently prior to the fight signed a 5 fight deal with a Network. A lot of people feel that the Rosario fight is his best inside fight but for me I lean more towards the 'Azabache' fight because that was the 1st time he had set forth his skills at World level against a top opponent.

[Althugz]

I don't know where to start off but right off the bat I can tell you that if your talking about JCC vs. Tszyu and ODLH and your talking about him quitting and getting found then CLEARLY you are not fully aware of JCCs career.
To judge JCC by those 2 fights and completely ignore and not look into the other 80 something fights he had is IMO a bit naive.
JCC represented much more then just a boxer. He represented a struggle, he represented a country.
I would strongly suggest you try and get your hands on JCCs documentary it was recently released and directed and produced by Diego Luna. You'll understand a lot more about JCC.
The fact that MTaylor outboxed the shit out of him but he fought 'til the end shows you the heart and determination that he had.

I can type here all night but you need to see more then just 4 fights to conprehend his status.

Mick, I didn't say he was found out against Oscar, I know that was him way past his best. Against Tzuyu, I take that back..That was even after Oscar. Also I wasn't 'judging' JCC on 2 fights. I think you just got a bit offended and failed to read my post properly. No worries.

I don't have a 'judgement' on JCC because like you say I havn't seen enough..i'm going by what I know of him and what I have seen. This led me to ask a few questions regarding him. Wanted to know what made him so popular. These responses are exactly what I needed to get educated on him. Is that naive? Sorry bro I won't ask questions in future but either way you've helped me understand also why he is so popular so thank you.
If anyone has the link to JCC's documentary i'd like a watch.

Fair play I could have read your post different then how you intended it to be.
If I'm not mistaken when you 1st came on here you asked what were some of the best career sets you could get. I suggeseted a couple but now I suggest JCC.
.

Kool, that must be one big ol' career set!
Havn't even watched my Ali one through and through yet. Been so busy with work and boxing training..hard to fit in anything else!
Good suggestion though, i'll try and grab it.
This has been good learning thread for me so thanks to all that have contributed

[CutMeMick]

Mick, I didn't say he was found out against Oscar, I know that was him way past his best. Against Tzuyu, I take that back..That was even after Oscar. Also I wasn't 'judging' JCC on 2 fights. I think you just got a bit offended and failed to read my post properly. No worries.

I don't have a 'judgement' on JCC because like you say I havn't seen enough..i'm going by what I know of him and what I have seen. This led me to ask a few questions regarding him. Wanted to know what made him so popular. These responses are exactly what I needed to get educated on him. Is that naive? Sorry bro I won't ask questions in future but either way you've helped me understand also why he is so popular so thank you.
If anyone has the link to JCC's documentary i'd like a watch.

Fair play I could have read your post different then how you intended it to be.
If I'm not mistaken when you 1st came on here you asked what were some of the best career sets you could get. I suggeseted a couple but now I suggest JCC.
.

Kool, that must be one big ol' career set!
Havn't even watched my Ali one through and through yet. Been so busy with work and boxing training..hard to fit in anything else!
Good suggestion though, i'll try and grab it.
This has been good learning thread for me so thanks to all that have contributed

Yes it is a long career set but for the most part you'll only be able to find some 90 something fights as a lot of his early stuff is hard to come by.
Good luck with that...
Suggestion, skip the LAST 2 Ali fights...

[Althugz]

Fair play I could have read your post different then how you intended it to be.
If I'm not mistaken when you 1st came on here you asked what were some of the best career sets you could get. I suggeseted a couple but now I suggest JCC.
.

Kool, that must be one big ol' career set!
Havn't even watched my Ali one through and through yet. Been so busy with work and boxing training..hard to fit in anything else!
Good suggestion though, i'll try and grab it.
This has been good learning thread for me so thanks to all that have contributed

Yes it is a long career set but for the most part you'll only be able to find some 90 something fights as a lot of his early stuff is hard to come by.
Good luck with that...
Suggestion, skip the LAST 2 Ali fights...

Yeah, I probably will
That's just made me think of a new thread actually...!