did we miss something with the hatton mayweather fight?

[HattonTheHammer]

Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

[Bomp]

Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

Fair enough.

Corrales Hatton would have been a great fight, it would have been a war. I see Corrales being knocked down by the bigger man but at his best he always got up, Floyd had to do it numerous times to keep him there, Diego also showed way passed his best he could last with a full blown welter. The fight could be a SD either way IMO.

Hatton has not been that busy in the ring since Kostya. He used to be a good in and out fighter and could close the gap well, he did this first half of the fight against Urango but got tired. Most of his inside work now involves holding and mauling, he could have been allowed to do that against Floyd all day IMO and he wouldn't have done any damge, not from punches anyway.

[Althugz]

Before any of you start using the Hatton was at 147 excuse for the reason he lost.

Do you think that fight would have been any different at 140?


Anyway yes Hatton belongs in the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather is the top elite, Hatton belongs with the elite but we dont know "how elite" he is. A fight with someone good at 140 could answer that. Like the winner of Witter Bradley which isnt a given

The thing that gets me is that everyone talks about how Ricky was able to hang with Mayweather.

Why don't they talk about how Mayweather was able to deal with adversity, pressure and adapted to Hatton's style and started to take over the fight.

Mayweather is the type of fighter where people who don't like him only talk about what his opponent did well up until Mayweather beat him.

You don't hear anyone talking about how Mayweather adapted changed up and eventually started dominating Hatton after the mid rounds.

But you hear how Hatton "hung in there" with him. I don't get it sometimes.

Mayweather didnt have to adapt to hatton, he had cortez making sure that at no point would he be forced into fighting hattons "phonebox fight" that has worked for ricky so often in the past.

You take away hattons ability to punch away on the inside and you take away the guys main attribute, hatton has never been any good boxing on the outside in the fight as got clearly shown when he fought collazo and was forced to hang on for dear life in the end because luis got his tactics spot on and was able make hatton chase him for 12rounds.



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Im not saying hatton lost the fight because of all these factors. Mayweather was simply too good for him on the night and unfortunately for ricky as soon as he got deducted points and was being informed that he was losing in a big way from about 6 onwards he went chasing the fight, something he is has never had to do in his career before.

Anyone that attempts to over commit against a world class athlete like PBF is always gonna be in danger of getting knocked out and thats what happened to ricky.

My argument is though that on another day, with a reasonably sized ring and a ref that actually allows the 2 to fight ricky can beat floyd - i believe that in my heart of hearts.


As for corrales beating hatton?

not a chance if you ask me, ricky would be way too busy and force diego into fighting a fight he isnt used to, UD for hatton

Your arguement would work but then you actually watch the match and realise that Ricky was being beaten on the outside AND on the inside. Everyone talks about how the ref worked against Ricky but it worked against Floyd too because as somebody said he was getting the better of the exchanges. If anything Cortez' poor officiating worked more in Ricky's favour. Seeing as you like Ricky's quote here's another one for you from the man himself. ''He was a lot better on the inside than I thought''

Come on mate be objective, its obvious by your name that you're a Ricky fan but you're clutching at air here...a 'reasonably' sized ring? What does that mean? That Floyd cheated? What difference would the ring have made anyway...if you watched the same fight I did then you'd know there wasn't that much moving around in that fight full stop. Floyd was willing to engage. I think you mean a smaller ring and don't forget that a more skilled, bigger Oscar tried that one already and still lost. Also you want a ref that allows more inside fighting where Floyd was beating Ricky as well? These things just lead to Ricky getting knocked out quicker in my opinion rather than giving him a better chance. There isn't any day that Hatton gets the better of Floyd. He should be proud of his efforts but he was outclassed. Blaming outside factors doesn't show class from Ricky or his fans. A good workman never blames his tools.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

[HattonTheHammer]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

[HattonTheHammer]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

And he would have been knocked out also

[p4pking]

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

my point exactly

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

Had that particular contest of gone to the final round i suspect ricky would of completely given up his defence and just gone on an all out assault to try to knock floyd out!!

I thought Collazo could have easily got the decision in their fight, although it was extremely close. Not to mention Hatton was out on his feet for most of the 12th round. If he had made it to the 12th against Mayweather and tried to go "all out", he likely would have been stopped then anyways. You've really been clutching at straws in this thread, especially since as someone pointed out, Floyd was winning the inside battle, when they were not broken up by the ref. It wouldn't have changed the outcome at all if Hatton was allowed to hang on inside all he liked.

[Althugz]

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

to claim hatton STILL would of been knocked out even if the circumstances had been different is absurd.

I for one know the day will never come when ricky hatton loses a fight on points - he has too much heart and courage to not go down fighting.

How is it absurd? I'm going by what I saw in the match and making an educated prediction. I saw Mayweather beating Hatton on the inside so a ref that allowed it would benefit Floyd further. I saw Mayweather standing in the pocket and engaging so your arguement for a smaller ring also falls flat on it's face.
Does that mean Ricky will get K.O'd quicker in a rematch? Of course not, this is boxing anything can happen..all we can do is predict. But with all the evidence gathered from the first fight, to call my prediction absurd is, well...absurd!

[Bomp]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

Damn straight, there are two types of fighters, ones who make excuses, and ones who win.

[DaxxKahn]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

If Tommy hearns hadn't broken his hand on Hagler's mellon

If Delahoya had jabbed throughout the Mayweather fight

If Hopkins was more active in the last third of the Calzaghe fight

If If If If...

If Tommy had not hurt his hand on Haglers head and was able to keep attacking the fight would have been stopped due to that nasty cut....Much as I am a Hearns fan though I am not disapointed in that fight....3 of boxings greatest rounds

[:::PSL:::]

Marvin Hagler was the greatest middleweight of all time. Hagler never really lost at his best at all,.. he only ever lost controversially.

[littlebif]

anyone think that Ricky can win the rematch if it happens in the uk?

I think it will be close for the first few rounds like the last fight but i can still only see PBF winning, but i see Hatton making the final bell this time as long as he does'nt lose his cool like last time out.He lost it big time and went gung how at floyd which left him open and with Floyds speed he took the chance and he blow Ricky away very impressively.As long as he doesnt do the same thats why i see him making the final bell.

[killersheep]

Look, I'm a big Hatton fan as most ofyou know... I always back him...



It seems that the only thing that was missed by most hatton fans posting on this thread is the fact that Ricky got knocked out...

All these are mute points.

Refs, judges and everything else aside... except one check hook!

But who`s to say ricky would of been knocked out had the circumstances of the fight been completely different.

You cant claim to know that had ref different, ringsize been of a normal size etc etc, that hatton still would of got KO`ed!!

Same could be said of the Hatton - Tszyu fight. Would Kostya have quit if a different ref didn't allow such a dirty fight?

Come to think of it that argument applies to pretty much every fight.