Question for the biblical religious

[Andre]

Andre I take offense to what you said about me wanting to sell a bridge to anyone...you need to look at Joseph Campbell! That's what I am talking about!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-72CBTABHas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vsD48tJLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmlBD3llrrk


You misinterpret what I mean and what I believe...seeing 'The Power of Myth' will fix what you have missed

No you got me wrong bro . Im on your side (usually,except for the irradication of waste humans), I didnt mean it to come out like dont belive what Lyle is saying ,sorry.

You said to me the other day that you have a bridge you want to sell us if we belived something or another. I liked the expression.

So your the one selling the bridge, nothing else ment by it mate.
No bridges around here either, lots down south where you are I'd imagine.

[El Kabong]

....right, sorry bout that...I was more than likely under the influence when I read that. These things happen, but I have forgiven myself and that's what really matters

[pacfan]

Aramaic Peshitta Bible Repository - Lamsa Bible, Peshitto, Eastern Christianity

Pan Fan the study has been done for you.

Geesh, that was a real serious one. I wish I had the time to read them all. The daily devotion guide on my newspaper often does comment on some words or phrases that are not clear. They sometimes show the original meanings of the word in Aramaic, Greek etc. Like for example, I remember them explaining the word gehenna which is understood to mean hell but was actually meant to be something like a garbage dump in early Israel, though I'm not sure if I remember that correctly.

[Andre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeT3...eature=related

[Kirkland Laing]

Amazing article that explains hoe we got here :

When the British naturalist George Shaw received a weird specimen from Australia in 1799 -- one with a mole's fur, a duck's bill and serpentlike spurs on its rear legs -- he did what any skeptical scientist would do: He looked for the stitching and glue that would reveal it to be a hoax.
"It was impossible not to entertain some distant doubts as to the genuine nature of the animal," Shaw wrote of the seemingly built-by-committee creature, which he eventually named "platypus," for its flat, webbed feet.
Now, more than 200 years later, a team of scientists has determined the platypus's entire genetic code. And right down to its DNA, it turns out, the animal continues to strain credulity, bearing genetic modules that are in turn mammalian, reptilian and avian.
There are genes for egg laying -- evidence of its reptilian roots. Genes for making milk, which the platypus does in mammalian style despite not having nipples. Genes for making snake venom, which the animal stores in its legs. And there are five times as many sex-determining chromosomes as scientists know what to do with.




washingtonpost.com

[Andre]

Amazing article that explains hoe we got here :

When the British naturalist George Shaw received a weird specimen from Australia in 1799 -- one with a mole's fur, a duck's bill and serpentlike spurs on its rear legs -- he did what any skeptical scientist would do: He looked for the stitching and glue that would reveal it to be a hoax.
"It was impossible not to entertain some distant doubts as to the genuine nature of the animal," Shaw wrote of the seemingly built-by-committee creature, which he eventually named "platypus," for its flat, webbed feet.
Now, more than 200 years later, a team of scientists has determined the platypus's entire genetic code. And right down to its DNA, it turns out, the animal continues to strain credulity, bearing genetic modules that are in turn mammalian, reptilian and avian.
There are genes for egg laying -- evidence of its reptilian roots. Genes for making milk, which the platypus does in mammalian style despite not having nipples. Genes for making snake venom, which the animal stores in its legs. And there are five times as many sex-determining chromosomes as scientists know what to do with.




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There was a young Rabbi out here just starting out and he got on telly for using the Platypus as living proof that God has a sence of humour.

[pacfan]

Amazing article that explains hoe we got here :

When the British naturalist George Shaw received a weird specimen from Australia in 1799 -- one with a mole's fur, a duck's bill and serpentlike spurs on its rear legs -- he did what any skeptical scientist would do: He looked for the stitching and glue that would reveal it to be a hoax.
"It was impossible not to entertain some distant doubts as to the genuine nature of the animal," Shaw wrote of the seemingly built-by-committee creature, which he eventually named "platypus," for its flat, webbed feet.
Now, more than 200 years later, a team of scientists has determined the platypus's entire genetic code. And right down to its DNA, it turns out, the animal continues to strain credulity, bearing genetic modules that are in turn mammalian, reptilian and avian.
There are genes for egg laying -- evidence of its reptilian roots. Genes for making milk, which the platypus does in mammalian style despite not having nipples. Genes for making snake venom, which the animal stores in its legs. And there are five times as many sex-determining chromosomes as scientists know what to do with.




washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

Very interesting info, Kirk. Without going into evolution-creation debate, I've always wondered why Australian mammals took a marsupial form, which I think is unique to that country (and NZL, I think). If only one species took that form, it wouldn't have been that surprising, but many seemingly unrelated mammals also are marsupials there too. Strange.

[pacfan]

There was a young Rabbi out here just starting out and he got on telly for using the Platypus as living proof that God has a sence of humour.

No, it was probably a mixup there in heaven. Or maybe the first genetically engineered animal made up there.

[pacfan]

As I've said, I believe this world is sort of one big blob of pulsating energy and as such it pulsates in waveforms. According to physicists' view, the energy field in the world is either in waveforms or quantum forms (in packets of energy as against waves). They say that the world manifests both forms but there can be only one. So their goal is to unify the two forms in one unified field theory. But let me stick to waveform theory here. Somewhere in the Bible, there is a passage that says that it was God's word that created this world. What is a word? In spoken form it is just a vibration thru air, or a wave. Perhaps, Almighty God, who is infinitely more powerful and complex than anything is this world can utter his word which is equivalent to his will, and his word probably is not just a simple wave of air, which is a simple energy in itself, but naturally like him it must be an infinitely more powerful and complex wave of super-energy - one that sends out magnificent torrent of infinitely powerful waves pulsating in the formerly dark, stagnant and chaotic world of no order. A wave that once released unleases a self-perpetuating energy (fact which is supported by law of conservation of energy) that can only be stopped by God himself. As farfetched as it may seem, it is because we humans see things with our very, very limited minds, which is biased in favor of believing only things that can be observed by that very limited mind, which basically sees only those things needed for his survivor - which is infinitely more myopic than that of God.

Therefore, as a waveform, the world moves in certain cycles, like ripples, which can explain why many things in this world happen in cycles and why still other things happen together, like the seasons, the cycles of ages like the ice age on the macro level and cycles of life at the micro level. This explains why there are coincidences, which are not coincidences (or happenstances, or just by chance) in the true sense. To cite some examples, according to Chinese zodiac or feng-sui, things happen at 60-year cycles. Although I usually don't believe in these zodiac or astrological based forecasts as they are usually based on very limited factors (the world is much more complex than that), that 60-year cycle seems to have been fulfilled in the 9-11 tragedy, which happened almost exactly 60 years after Pearl Harbor attack! So naively, I was considering something magnificent might happen in Japan on 2005, 60th year after A-bomb. But fortunately nothing happened. Perhaps, it was because Japan had not been involved in any conflict ever since WWII and so there was no more cyclical pressure on it to again suffer the same type of tragedy. I believe that Japan has paid all it's centuries of karmic debts at Hiroshima - nation which has a history of wars after wars - and they became one of the most peace-loving society in the world. So there was no more need for Japan to pay for anything, unlike the US, where the hate of many people, rightly or wrongly, is directed at because of their involvement in world affairs, particularly thru military actions.

As I've said, as an energy entity, everything in this world has influence on others as they are all interconnected in a web of one pulsating energy field, and as I've said, the pulsation might have started by the infinite energy waves unleased by God himself, I believe one of the more significant influences one earth is that of human thought or emotions, which is itself created by chemical and electrical energies within our nerves and brains. I believe human emotions has a some influence especially on his immediate environment, but collectively, I believe it has a very strong influence on it's environment, particularly on earth. Perhaps, that's the reason why certain tragedies occur at certain places on earth, and since these collective emotional waves sends out ripples, they tend to repeat itself at certain frequencies depending on how much those ripples are amplified by the continuation of the same actions that led to those waves in the first place. (But these historical waves have a tendency to wane at certain times.) In the case of US, they have been involved in world affairs which forces them to take sides and incur the wrath of others, which again unleashes hate waves that magnifies the ripples of the waves of tragedy.
But I think this is all part of so-called birthpains which the world has to undergo before it's final purification, just like the case of Japan, where eventually we will all live in harmony and in joy. Far-fetched, right?

I can go on and on and on with all these things but unfortunately my limited time doesn't allow it. (I want to clear one thing though, I'm grateful to the US which is, IMO, definitely making this world a peaceful place for most of us, even though I must add that they sometimes overdo it. But I can excuse them for the simple fact that they are doing it almost single-handedly, while most of the world sit comfortably on that fruit or security provided by the US, so naturally we can't expect them to be perfect in all their operations. I wish that the world superpowers would come together and stop all form of injustice, like terrorism and massacres, like in Rwanda, around the world. I was wondering what will happen if the US said 'NO.' [Attention, best-seller novelists, here's a potentially good book for you: The Day When America Said No.]

[Note: I've edited this post on May 8, as the original one was done in a bit of haste.]

Let me continue what I've said on the above post. Things in this world tend to happen in certain cycles and when things happen in cycles, certain things tend to happen together. This is because our entire universe tends to move in cycles, like the movement of the stars and galaxies, and the revolution and rotation of the planets, and some of those movements tends to coincide or happen together at certain intervals. This is perhaps this world is, as Andre says, circular. This fact perhaps helped the ancient prophets to interpret and predict certain events by their reading of certain signs, which were probably nothing more than projecting their knowledge of cyclical events and corresponding co-events into the future, and using them for forcasting or predicting of those events and co-events which tend to recur at certain intervals. If you make a habit of closely observing certain events in this world, or in your personal life, particularly the more significant ones, you'll probably able to see certain events and co-events that recur at certain times. Let my cite my personal experience with one of them.

Several years ago, a fisherman's wife made a business proposal that required me to buy a small motor boat which her husband were to use to catch squids and which we would share 50/50. Since the boat didn't cost much, I accepted the proposal. To make the story short, the business turned out to be a failure and I was forced to sell the boat at a loss, no big deal though. But before I sold the boat, I took one of two cans of grease in the boat since I didn't have one left at home... Three to five years after that, one day I had an urge to clean up a pair of scissors that lay hanging at our kitchen unused for couple of years - it was an extra pairs that we use for cutting food packages, which looked slightly rusted because of disuse and needed cleaning. Since it was 'frozen' I needed to grease it a bit to get its blades moving again, and of course, I used the grease that I got from that ol' boat. While I was using the grease, I had this de jevu feeling of the time of that failed boat venture and sort of wonder what this was all about. Then, that night, several thiefs broke into our house through the kitchen and ran off with cash - almost the exact amount as the price of the boat which I paid for 3-5 years back! Luckily me and my partner were asleep unaware, because thieves here are usually armed and they usually don't take prisoners. Perhaps we were unharmed because of my strong faith - or at least I would like to believe so.

That event taught me some important lessons about this world, foremost is that certain events recur and certain events recur together. Ever since that time, I've been conscious of some events in my life and was able to see certain patterns on few of them. This is true, not only for some events in our personal life, but also for certain events in the world. There are many historical examples of those types of events, and I will post some of them when I have time.

(Actually, some events recur for some purpose, which is karmic in nature, but that is another story, so I won't go into that here - it's just too complicated.)

[El Kabong]

....even Darwin believed that God created the Earth






So just an FYI to all you pompus assholes berating anyone who believes something different than you. By the way, I'm cool with people not believing in God or that God created all we know and hold true...I'm not saying they will go to hell or anything I just try to live MY life and be nice and affect people in a positive way in everyday life.

[Andre]

Concentric circles.

[Fenster]

As I've said, I believe this world is sort of one big blob of pulsating energy and as such it pulsates in waveforms. According to physicists' view, the energy field in the world is either in waveforms or quantum forms (in packets of energy as against waves). They say that the world manifests both forms but there can be only one. So their goal is to unify the two forms in one unified field theory. But let me stick to waveform theory here. Somewhere in the Bible, there is a passage that says that it was God's word that created this world. What is a word? In spoken form it is just a vibration thru air, or a wave. Perhaps, Almighty God, who is infinitely more powerful and complex than anything is this world can utter his word which is equivalent to his will, and his word probably is not just a simple wave of air, which is a simple energy in itself, but naturally like him it must be an infinitely more powerful and complex wave of super-energy - one that sends out magnificent torrent of infinitely powerful waves pulsating in the formerly dark, stagnant and chaotic world of no order. A wave that once released unleases a self-perpetuating energy (fact which is supported by law of conservation of energy) that can only be stopped by God himself. As farfetched as it may seem, it is because we humans see things with our very, very limited minds, which is biased in favor of believing only things that can be observed by that very limited mind, which basically sees only those things needed for his survivor - which is infinitely more myopic than that of God.

Therefore, as a waveform, the world moves in certain cycles, like ripples, which can explain why many things in this world happen in cycles and why still other things happen together, like the seasons, the cycles of ages like the ice age on the macro level and cycles of life at the micro level. This explains why there are coincidences, which are not coincidences (or happenstances, or just by chance) in the true sense. To cite some examples, according to Chinese zodiac or feng-sui, things happen at 60-year cycles. Although I usually don't believe in these zodiac or astrological based forecasts as they are usually based on very limited factors (the world is much more complex than that), that 60-year cycle seems to have been fulfilled in the 9-11 tragedy, which happened almost exactly 60 years after Pearl Harbor attack! So naively, I was considering something magnificent might happen in Japan on 2005, 60th year after A-bomb. But fortunately nothing happened. Perhaps, it was because Japan had not been involved in any conflict ever since WWII and so there was no more cyclical pressure on it to again suffer the same type of tragedy. I believe that Japan has paid all it's centuries of karmic debts at Hiroshima - nation which has a history of wars after wars - and they became one of the most peace-loving society in the world. So there was no more need for Japan to pay for anything, unlike the US, where the hate of many people, rightly or wrongly, is directed at because of their involvement in world affairs, particularly thru military actions.

As I've said, as an energy entity, everything in this world has influence on others as they are all interconnected in a web of one pulsating energy field, and as I've said, the pulsation might have started by the infinite energy waves unleased by God himself, I believe one of the more significant influences one earth is that of human thought or emotions, which is itself created by chemical and electrical energies within our nerves and brains. I believe human emotions has a some influence especially on his immediate environment, but collectively, I believe it has a very strong influence on it's environment, particularly on earth. Perhaps, that's the reason why certain tragedies occur at certain places on earth, and since these collective emotional waves sends out ripples, they tend to repeat itself at certain frequencies depending on how much those ripples are amplified by the continuation of the same actions that led to those waves in the first place. (But these historical waves have a tendency to wane at certain times.) In the case of US, they have been involved in world affairs which forces them to take sides and incur the wrath of others, which again unleashes hate waves that magnifies the ripples of the waves of tragedy.
But I think this is all part of so-called birthpains which the world has to undergo before it's final purification, just like the case of Japan, where eventually we will all live in harmony and in joy. Far-fetched, right?

I can go on and on and on with all these things but unfortunately my limited time doesn't allow it. (I want to clear one thing though, I'm grateful to the US which is, IMO, definitely making this world a peaceful place for most of us, even though I must add that they sometimes overdo it. But I can excuse them for the simple fact that they are doing it almost single-handedly, while most of the world sit comfortably on that fruit or security provided by the US, so naturally we can't expect them to be perfect in all their operations. I wish that the world superpowers would come together and stop all form of injustice, like terrorism and massacres, like in Rwanda, around the world. I was wondering what will happen if the US said 'NO.' [Attention, best-seller novelists, here's a potentially good book for you: The Day When America Said No.]

[Note: I've edited this post on May 8, as the original one was done in a bit of haste.]

Let me continue what I've said on the above post. Things in this world tend to happen in certain cycles and when things happen in cycles, certain things tend to happen together. This is because our entire universe tends to move in cycles, like the movement of the stars and galaxies, and the revolution and rotation of the planets, and some of those movements tends to coincide or happen together at certain intervals. This is perhaps this world is, as Andre says, circular. This fact perhaps helped the ancient prophets to interpret and predict certain events by their reading of certain signs, which were probably nothing more than projecting their knowledge of cyclical events and corresponding co-events into the future, and using them for forcasting or predicting of those events and co-events which tend to recur at certain intervals. If you make a habit of closely observing certain events in this world, or in your personal life, particularly the more significant ones, you'll probably able to see certain events and co-events that recur at certain times. Let my cite my personal experience with one of them.

Several years ago, a fisherman's wife made a business proposal that required me to buy a small motor boat which her husband were to use to catch squids and which we would share 50/50. Since the boat didn't cost much, I accepted the proposal. To make the story short, the business turned out to be a failure and I was forced to sell the boat at a loss, no big deal though. But before I sold the boat, I took one of two cans of grease in the boat since I didn't have one left at home... Three to five years after that, one day I had an urge to clean up a pair of scissors that lay hanging at our kitchen unused for couple of years - it was an extra pairs that we use for cutting food packages, which looked slightly rusted because of disuse and needed cleaning. Since it was 'frozen' I needed to grease it a bit to get its blades moving again, and of course, I used the grease that I got from that ol' boat. While I was using the grease, I had this de jevu feeling of the time of that failed boat venture and sort of wonder what this was all about. Then, that night, several thiefs broke into our house through the kitchen and ran off with cash - almost the exact amount as the price of the boat which I paid for 3-5 years back! Luckily me and my partner were asleep unaware, because thieves here are usually armed and they usually don't take prisoners. Perhaps we were unharmed because of my strong faith - or at least I would like to believe so.

That event taught me some important lessons about this world, foremost is that certain events recur and certain events recur together. Ever since that time, I've been conscious of some events in my life and was able to see certain patterns on few of them. This is true, not only for some events in our personal life, but also for certain events in the world. There are many historical examples of those types of events, and I will post some of them when I have time.

(Actually, some events recur for some purpose, which is karmic in nature, but that is another story, so I won't go into that here - it's just too complicated.)

Mr. Pacfan, that was a fine story.

But.. please explain to Fenster the link between the rusty scissors and robbery?

[Andre]

[/quote]

Mr. Pacfan, that was a fine story.

But.. please explain to Fenster the link between the rusty scissors and robbery?

[/quote]

Once apon a time there was a man called Edward sizzor hands. Edward was a Mythological figure from the future. When he heard about the Crucifixion he was so moved that he went back in time and tried to cut down the Christed figure from the cross.
This enraged the Roman guards so much that he was cruxified next to the two Robbers who were nailed up each side of the Jeshua. Edwards sizzors ended up going rusty and he died a robbers death.

Thus the eternal link between robbers and rusty sizzors.

Did I mention the game thereafter played by young apprentice Roman soldiers called robbers sizzors paper?

[pacfan]

....even Darwin believed that God created the Earth


So just an FYI to all you pompus assholes berating anyone who believes something different than you. By the way, I'm cool with people not believing in God or that God created all we know and hold true...I'm not saying they will go to hell or anything I just try to live MY life and be nice and affect people in a positive way in everyday life.

Sir Isaac Newton said, "Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done."

Concentric circles.

I stand corrected.

Mr. Pacfan, that was a fine story.

But.. please explain to Fenster the link between the rusty scissors and robbery?

Sorry about that fenster, maybe I wasn't clear enough. It's not the connection between the scissors and the robbery per se, but more of the connection between a failed business venture where I lost money and the robbery where of course I also lost money. But I have to say that the connection is a subtle one, though it is still a solid one. Let me enumerate each of them one by one:

1) It was the first time I used that grease I got from the boat. If I had used that routinely, then it would've meant nothing much.

2) It was the first time I greased the scissors, which lay hanging on one of the racks in our kitchen for couple of years, even though I didn't need to, as they were only spare ones.

3) There is a connection between the grease, which came from the boat on which I lost some money, and the scissors, which was in the kitchen from where the thieves broke in. So symbolically, the grease served as sort of a relay torch or baton from one money-losing event to another. [Did you see the connection.]

4) The greasing of the scissors came within 24hrs of the robbery.

5) The amount of the money stolen was almost exactly the same amount I paid for the boat.

Lastly, both are very significant events in life as normally, we ordinary folks hardly loss money on either business or robbery. The fact is that these extremely rare events in one’s life were somehow connected (ok, to repeat again, by that damn grease!).

Hope that was clear enough.

[pacfan]

Mr. Pacfan, that was a fine story.

But.. please explain to Fenster the link between the rusty scissors and robbery?

[/quote]

Once apon a time there was a man called Edward sizzor hands. Edward was a Mythological figure from the future. When he heard about the Crucifixion he was so moved that he went back in time and tried to cut down the Christed figure from the cross.
This enraged the Roman guards so much that he was cruxified next to the two Robbers who were nailed up each side of the Jeshua. Edwards sizzors ended up going rusty and he died a robbers death.

Thus the eternal link between robbers and rusty sizzors.

Did I mention the game thereafter played by young apprentice Roman soldiers called robbers sizzors paper?[/quote]