How good was a 'prime' tyson?

[DaxxKahn]

Bowe had the mental toughness to beat Holyfield...Tyson didn't....Bowe lost ONE fight out of 43 fights and he KO'd 33 fighters. He lost ONCE to a PRIME Evander Holyfield whom he also beat twice and once by KO.


Bowe's prime was short as was Tyson's but Bowe's style was perfect to beat Tyson

Yeah but also what version of Tyson was it that Holyfield beat?....Holyfield was also the best HW in the sport at the time...

\A 1996 Tyson was far from his best

[El Kabong]

Yes and hence my conclusion...I was talking about "what if Tyson fought better opposition post prison" .....I would have had more respect for him had he fought those guys instead of: Neilen, Botha, Savarese, Julius Francis, and Orlin Norris.


Tyson fought a lot of bums

[ICB]

Very good one of the best Heavyweights for sure but for certain beatable, he had a hard time with James Tillis, and was getting out boxed by Tony Tucker until he broke his right hand in the 4th round. And that was because both Tillis, Tucker, had good movement, so i think fighters like Holmes, Ali, would have been able to beat Tyson in his prime.

[DaxxKahn]

Yes and hence my conclusion...I was talking about "what if Tyson fought better opposition post prison" .....I would have had more respect for him had he fought those guys instead of: Neilen, Botha, Savarese, Julius Francis, and Orlin Norris.


Tyson fought a lot of bums

I think that was a version of Tyson that had already given up on his career and could care less how he went down in history as....He wantd to be paid and he knew or should I say his people knew Tyson drew a huge crowd no matter who he fought so why fight anyone dangerous....

The Holyfield and Lewis fights were more because it was what fans wanted to see then Tyson wanting to prove something


Come 1995 I pretty much cut Tyson off as a fighter who actually was something...ecverything forward from tat was a circus act

[brucelee]

Yes and hence my conclusion...I was talking about "what if Tyson fought better opposition post prison" .....I would have had more respect for him had he fought those guys instead of: Neilen, Botha, Savarese, Julius Francis, and Orlin Norris.


Tyson fought a lot of bums

I think that was a version of Tyson that had already given up on his career and could care less how he went down in history as....He wantd to be paid and he knew or should I say his people knew Tyson drew a huge crowd no matter who he fought so why fight anyone dangerous....

The Holyfield and Lewis fights were more because it was what fans wanted to see then Tyson wanting to prove something


Come 1995 I pretty much cut Tyson off as a fighter who actually was something...ecverything forward from tat was a circus act

I fully agree with you Daxx. After he lost to Douglas, everything was a circus act. That's why the heavyweight division is having a hard time recovering its lost glory.

Tyson had been fighting for money and did not care anymore about how he will go down in boxing history coz he has already lost his sanity.

So I would say that a prime and SANE Tyson would have beaten all the heavyweight ATGs.IMO

[ICB]

Yes and hence my conclusion...I was talking about "what if Tyson fought better opposition post prison" .....I would have had more respect for him had he fought those guys instead of: Neilen, Botha, Savarese, Julius Francis, and Orlin Norris.


Tyson fought a lot of bums

I think that was a version of Tyson that had already given up on his career and could care less how he went down in history as....He wantd to be paid and he knew or should I say his people knew Tyson drew a huge crowd no matter who he fought so why fight anyone dangerous....

The Holyfield and Lewis fights were more because it was what fans wanted to see then Tyson wanting to prove something


Come 1995 I pretty much cut Tyson off as a fighter who actually was something...ecverything forward from tat was a circus act

I fully agree with you Daxx. After he lost to Douglas, everything was a circus act. That's why the heavyweight division is having a hard time recovering its lost glory.

Tyson had been fighting for money and did not care anymore about how he will go down in boxing history coz he has already lost his sanity.

So I would say that a prime and SANE Tyson would have beaten all the heavyweight ATGs.IMO

Have you seen Tyson's fights with Tillis and Tucker ??

[DaxxKahn]

I think that was a version of Tyson that had already given up on his career and could care less how he went down in history as....He wantd to be paid and he knew or should I say his people knew Tyson drew a huge crowd no matter who he fought so why fight anyone dangerous....

The Holyfield and Lewis fights were more because it was what fans wanted to see then Tyson wanting to prove something


Come 1995 I pretty much cut Tyson off as a fighter who actually was something...ecverything forward from tat was a circus act

I fully agree with you Daxx. After he lost to Douglas, everything was a circus act. That's why the heavyweight division is having a hard time recovering its lost glory.

Tyson had been fighting for money and did not care anymore about how he will go down in boxing history coz he has already lost his sanity.

So I would say that a prime and SANE Tyson would have beaten all the heavyweight ATGs.IMO

Have you seen Tyson's fights with Tillis and Tucker ??

I was at the Tillis fight...Mike was not used to guys running and holding Tillis gave an awkward fight...In no way did Tillis come close to winning''''He was just frustrating Tyson...By the next year Tyson was a different fighter...Ring maturity wise

[ICB]

I fully agree with you Daxx. After he lost to Douglas, everything was a circus act. That's why the heavyweight division is having a hard time recovering its lost glory.

Tyson had been fighting for money and did not care anymore about how he will go down in boxing history coz he has already lost his sanity.

So I would say that a prime and SANE Tyson would have beaten all the heavyweight ATGs.IMO

Have you seen Tyson's fights with Tillis and Tucker ??

I was at the Tillis fight...Mike was not used to guys running and holding Tillis gave an awkward fight...In no way did Tillis come close to winning''''He was just frustrating Tyson...By the next year Tyson was a different fighter...Ring maturity wise

I thought Tillis done very well and wasn't afraid to mix it up unlike most of Tyson's opponents, Tillis was winning the 4th round big until he threw that amateurish left hand and he got caught on the counter and went down, that round was a big factor in the fight, i can't remember how many rounds i gave Tillis but i think i gave him maybe 3 something like 6-3-1 in Tyson's favor. It was two things, 1 because like you say Tyson was inexperienced, and 2 because of Tillis's movement. Tucker also done very well until he broke his hand in the 4th round i gave Tucker 4 rounds in there fight, he lifted Tyson off his feet with an uppercut in the first round, don't know how Tyson didn't go down from that punch.

[brucelee]

I fully agree with you Daxx. After he lost to Douglas, everything was a circus act. That's why the heavyweight division is having a hard time recovering its lost glory.

Tyson had been fighting for money and did not care anymore about how he will go down in boxing history coz he has already lost his sanity.

So I would say that a prime and SANE Tyson would have beaten all the heavyweight ATGs.IMO

Have you seen Tyson's fights with Tillis and Tucker ??

I was at the Tillis fight...Mike was not used to guys running and holding Tillis gave an awkward fight...In no way did Tillis come close to winning''''He was just frustrating Tyson...By the next year Tyson was a different fighter...Ring maturity wise

Yes, Daxx. Tillis and even Tucker were running and holding. Both were willing to mix it up with Tyson before the fight but when they were hit by a big right from Tyson they would usually hold.

[brucelee]

Yeah. Tyson won that two fights by UD. By the way, how old were you ICB during that time? Have you watched those fights live ?

[ICB]

Yeah. Tyson won that two fights by UD. By the way, how old were you ICB during that time? Have you watched those fights live ?

No didn't see those fights live im 18 Bruce.

[Spicoli]

Yeah. Tyson won that two fights by UD. By the way, how old were you ICB during that time? Have you watched those fights live ?

..I had Tillis taking some rounds on tyson....Get ready to laugh....Ribalta and Biggs had some spots as well.That Tucker fight was just ugly Imo.